[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Sat Apr 6 15:25:57 UTC 2013 

Yeah ... homo sapiens sapiens has sufficient trouble with such issues, let
alone members of the genus canus. :-)

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?


Dear all,

I hate to think of the cost of a space suit for the dog and all of the
issues you are going to have with taking him outside for a relief and the
problem of trying to pick it up in a busy bag in zero-G.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk Mailing
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?


> All the more reason Pooch has no place in space! CarAt 10:44 AM 
> 4/5/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>>David, please forgive my levity.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>>Evans
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>

David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.

>>Dear all,
>>
>>Zero Gravity?
>>What are you guys smoking?
>>
>>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will 
>>be a must.
>>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity 
>>and bone loss is a major issue.
>>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone 
>>that bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his arms.
>>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin 
>>or roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to 
>>help prevent bone loss.
>>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help 
>>him keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane 
>>will be nearly useless, on board the space craft,  as I see it now.  
>>At least until his feet are back on the ground.
>>
>>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers 
>>and sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome 
>>as they always have in the past.
>>
>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar 
>>Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk 
>>Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>>
>> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
>> >
>> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity, 
>> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I 
>> > thought dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing 
>> > over the top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC)
wrote:
>> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and 
>> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it 
>> >>a bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to 
>> >>string lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement. 
>> >>It would be wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that 
>> >>way, it would be possible to use a cane or other device to follow 
>> >>it along. I would not recommend a dog guide in this situation 
>> >>unless of course it were
>> specially trained.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >>Daniel Garcia
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I 
>> >>would imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things 
>> >>about gravity is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you 
>> >>don't fly off in any unknown direction.
>> >>
>> >>Daniel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >>David Evans
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Dear Mike,
>> >>
>> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get 
>> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest 
>> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape, 
>> >>size and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to 
>> >>go on instead of using a sighted guide.
>> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of 
>> >>me or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I 
>> >>am veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use 
>> >>a touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>> >>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as 
>> >>he is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us 
>> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
>> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that 
>> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just 
>> >>hope that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the
Moon.
>> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see 
>> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since 
>> >>they were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17.
>> >>
>> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > David:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping 
>> >> > iPhone apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
>> >> >
>> >> > We shall see.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >> > David Evans
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
>> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog 
>> >> > as my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel 
>> >> > grab hold of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or 
>> >> > prevent me from making contact with someone or something.
>> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my "eyes"
>> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be 
>> >> > aware of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless 
>> >> > they want to wear it as a nose stopper.
>> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not 
>> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
>> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take 
>> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
>> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide 
>> >> > dog as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a 
>> >> > attack dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working 
>> >> > that hard to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of
helping me.
>> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone 
>> >> > is ready.
>> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make 
>> >> > accessible.
>> >> >
>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to 
>> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't 
>> >> >> realize immediately how undignified that feels.  The cane is 
>> >> >> not a leash, or a tether, or a pole attaching two people.  I 
>> >> >> just gently grab it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay, 
>> >> >> I'm fine."  One of those situations where we ask the Lord to 
>> >> >> please give us
>> strength and patience.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mark Tardif
>> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
>> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bonnie:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a 
>> >> >> sighted family member or friend and they grab the came because 
>> >> >> there are people coming the other direction. The whole point of 
>> >> >> the cane is for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with 
>> >> >> such force that I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab
my cane.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sigh.......
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Daniel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> >> >> Of Bonnie Ainsworth
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
>> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I 
>> >> >> won't let anyone take my cane from me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if 
>> >> >> the cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way 
>> >> >> to land the thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that 
>> >> >> mean next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned 
>> >> >> about safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane 
>> >> >> is like an American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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