[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Fri Apr 5 21:49:02 UTC 2013

Dear all,

I hate to think of the cost of a space suit for the dog and all of the 
issues you are going to have with taking him outside for a relief and the 
problem of trying to pick it up in a busy bag in zero-G.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk Mailing 
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

> All the more reason Pooch has no place in space! CarAt 10:44 AM 4/5/2013, 
> Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>>David, please forgive my levity.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>>Evans
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>

David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.

>>Dear all,
>>
>>Zero Gravity?
>>What are you guys smoking?
>>
>>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will be a 
>>must.
>>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity and 
>>bone loss is a major issue.
>>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone 
>>that bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his arms.
>>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin or 
>>roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to help 
>>prevent bone loss.
>>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help him 
>>keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane will be 
>>nearly useless, on board the space craft,  as I see it now.  At least 
>>until his feet are back on the ground.
>>
>>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers and 
>>sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome as they 
>>always have in the past.
>>
>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar Rovers 
>>and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk Mailing 
>>List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>>
>> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
>> >
>> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity,
>> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I thought
>> > dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing over the
>> > top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and
>> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it a
>> >>bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to string
>> >>lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement. It would be
>> >>wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that way, it would be
>> >>possible to use a cane or other device to follow it along. I would not
>> >>recommend a dog guide in this situation unless of course it were
>> specially trained.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>Daniel Garcia
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I would
>> >>imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things about gravity
>> >>is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you don't fly off in
>> >>any unknown direction.
>> >>
>> >>Daniel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>> >>Evans
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Dear Mike,
>> >>
>> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get
>> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest
>> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape, size
>> >>and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to go on
>> >>instead of using a sighted guide.
>> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of me
>> >>or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I am
>> >>veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use a
>> >>touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>> >>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as he
>> >>is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us
>> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
>> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that
>> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just hope
>> >>that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the Moon.
>> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see
>> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since they
>> >>were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17.
>> >>
>> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > David:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping iPhone
>> >> > apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
>> >> >
>> >> > We shall see.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> > David Evans
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
>> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog as
>> >> > my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel grab hold
>> >> > of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or prevent me from
>> >> > making contact with someone or something.
>> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my "eyes"
>> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be aware
>> >> > of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless they want
>> >> > to wear it as a nose stopper.
>> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not
>> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
>> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take
>> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
>> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide dog
>> >> > as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a attack
>> >> > dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working that hard
>> >> > to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of helping me.
>> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone is
>> >> > ready.
>> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
>> >> > accessible.
>> >> >
>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to
>> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't realize
>> >> >> immediately how undignified that feels.  The cane is not a leash,
>> >> >> or a tether, or a pole attaching two people.  I just gently grab
>> >> >> it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay, I'm fine."  One of
>> >> >> those situations where we ask the Lord to please give us
>> strength and patience.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mark Tardif
>> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
>> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bonnie:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a sighted
>> >> >> family member or friend and they grab the came because there are
>> >> >> people coming the other direction. The whole point of the cane is
>> >> >> for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with such force that
>> >> >> I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab my cane.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sigh.......
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Daniel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> >> Bonnie Ainsworth
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
>> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I won't
>> >> >> let anyone take my cane from me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if the
>> >> >> cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way to land
>> >> >> the thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that mean
>> >> >> next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned about
>> >> >> safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane is like an
>> >> >> American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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