[Blindtlk] transportation chat
Ericka J. Short
ericka.short at att.net
Thu Apr 18 01:59:15 UTC 2013
Mr. Hyde
I would absolutely love to talk to you via email or phone about what the NFB
J'ville chapter has done to keep things "rolling" for people to get around.
Even better you can come to Kenosha somehow and talk to our grassroots
disability advocacy grou0p. We are somewhat affiliated with Society's
Assets, one of the ILA's here in WI. I didn't know about the WI convention
until a week or so ago and so I've missed my opportunity to learn about a
few things.
Ericka Short
262-697-0510
Leave a message if I'm not home.
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:00:54 -0700
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We have worked on improving public transportation. We helped in the redesign
that took place four years ago. Unfortunently, we didn't have a say in the
final design but we helped keep it from being even worse than it was. We
can't do much until the economy gets better. Sorry that my responce was
slow! A few weeks ago, my Outlook Express was down and I am still playing
the make up game with my E Mail.
Kendra
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From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:14 PM
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> Ericka. At the convention in Madison on April 12-14 we will have the head
> of the public transit organization speaking. Come and talk with him. Here
> in Janesville, we have busses six days a week. They run every half hours,
> most of them, from 6:15 a.m. until 6:15 p.m., and then once an hour. On
> Saturday, they start later and end earlier.
>
> There have been efforts to cut service. Our local NFB chapter has worked
> to keep the service we have, and make them look at expanding it. Let's
> talk about what we can do in your community.
>
> Finally Salem. Having lived there, I rode the busses a lot. I do not know
> if the transit system is open to discussing better service, but it is a
> good thing for the local chapter to work on. Talk to your state president,
> Carla for help. The only time I miss Salem is when the temperature is
> below zero here in Wisconsin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kendra
> Schaber
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Rblind married to a sighted
>
> I thought that Salem, Oregon had bad transportation! We still have busses
> that run every fifteen minutes. We have a number of routes that run on the
> half hour and hour. As I've said in my last E Mail, we don't have any bus
> service on weekends. The busses run from 5 something in the morning to
> 9:00 P.M. or so depending on the route. Some routes end at 7 o'clock P.M.
> which is unfortunent. West Salem has only one or two busses that travel
> anywhere around that side of town. Most cities in Oregon have just as bad
> of public transportation to no public transportation at all. Portland,
> Oregon has the very best in the whole state of Oregon. Eugene has the
> second best to my knowledge and Salem is as far as I know, the third best
> in Oregon. Everyone always complains about how bad the busses are here in
> Salem.
> Kendra
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ericka J. Short" <ericka.short at att.net>
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:51 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Rblind married to a sighted
>
>
>> Thanks for all the great feedback and Mari, I'll be in touch with you!
>>
>> I do have transit available but thanks for the kudos! We have a very
>> inadequate bus system in Kenosha. Since it's the fourth largest
>> community in WI they would be dumb to not provide anything. Along
>> with the 6 am to
>> 5 pm bus hours on M-F and 9 am tyo 43 pm on Sat. we have the buses
>> inconsistently running either on the half hour or the hour. The
>> website where you can get information is a mess and they haven't
>> changed the routes in almost 40 years. We are more of a bedroom
>> community for those working in IL, so when the community expanded
>> over the years all the stores left to the suburbs. Sad to have this
>> happen to a community of almost 100,000 people. paratransit and a
>> volunteer transportation program . Nothing is free and the problem
>> is it's hard to qualify for the paratransit or the volunteer help.
>> They cost more than the bus and have income /age /disability
>> requirements for them. The transit system is on the bottom of the
>> priority list so they do not advertise or really fund it. The head
>> of the program thinks that a trolley on rails is the answer to all
>> Kenosha's busing problems. The fact that their has been a strong
>> history of car manufacturing here is a big obstacle we have. Too many
>> on council and voters remember or had worked for American Motors in
>> the past. We just lost the Chrysler engine plant a few years ago.
>> No matter how many statistics I toss, suggestions trying to work with
>> them or stories of stranded disabled they still really don't care
>> much. When the city's transit commission decided this month not to
>> meet because they had no items for their agenda, I know they have
>> little in touch with those who might use it and those who depend on it
>> in the community. The Good thing here is that I am not alone. We
>> have two groups of advocates trying to work for improvements. One is
>> a religious affiliated one and the other is a grassroots advocacy of
>> various disabled working together. More people, stronger voice!
>>
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>> 1. Re: visually impaired married to a sighted (justin williams)
>> 2. Re: visually impaired married to a sighted (justin williams)
>> 3. Re: visually impaired married to a sighted (Julie J.)
>> 4. Re: visually impaired married to a sighted (Bryan Schulz)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:15:59 -0400
>> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
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>> Wow. I don't know how you do that. I have simply decided that I am
>> not living anywhere where there isn't a city that has at least desent
>> transportation around me. I am not downing what you did, but that is not
>> for me. I hope you can do a few things you like to do. I think you
>> really
>> persevered through that. Great job.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mari
>> Hunziker
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:00 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>>
>> HI Ericka,
>>
>> I can totally relate. I am legally blind, low to high partical
>> depending on the day as well married to a sighted man. We have been
>> married for 15 and a half years and it has taken us a very long time
>> to figure it out. I'd even say we are still learning how to deal with
>> it each day. I too live in a small town in Texas with no
>> transportation. I must rely on neighbors, friends, church members or
>> my husband. He was in school fro the last 8 years
>> - gone from 7am till about 11pm. I had to find the courage to ask
>> someone for a ride. He just graduated in December and he is available
>> a little more to help drive me around to get errands done. I've
>> learned that I don't ever get to do what I want to do. Now that we
>> have kids their needs come first.
>> Grocery shopping, clothes, shoe, school supply shopping and then
>> anything else that needs to get done. I have learned to plan and that
>> actually took a while to develop since I am not a very organized
>> person when it comes to meal planning. But my friends from church
>> turned me onto a great monthly planner that does all the work for you.
>> You just follow the steps and viola a sensational meal is ready in
>> minutes. I have attached it here for you and anyone on the list to
>> take and copy. Take a look I think its great. It provides a great
>> example of what to do if you want to change up the recipes to. Its
>> called Month of Menus!. About the blind and sighted thing. There is a
>> Department of Blind Services in your state.
>> http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/blind/ There are several links with
>> information on Adjustment skills, Adaptive Equipment, Blindness
>> Education, Rehabilitation Teaching Services, Resources and
>> Information, etc. Take a look at the link above and call to get some
>> assistance. It will make a huge difference. Also, I am happy to talk
>> or email off list. Let me know if you'd like my info and if you'd like
>> to chat off line. Good luck and God Bless.
>> Life is challenging, but we are all here to help each other through it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mari Hunziker
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Ericka J. Short
>> <ericka.short at att.net>wrote:
>>
>>> I know we usually talk about computers, or philosophy here, but I
>>> think this is an important topic. I just wondered what kind of things
>>> people have done to make their sighted spouse understand the
>>> disability thing. The biggest part of things for us is that we have
>>> horrible transit here in Kenosha and so it's difficult to
>>> independently travel alone. My husband just doesn't know what to
>>> do about this. I take rides with friends or people from church at
>>> times, but some things I want to ride with my husband to together.
>>> He either feels like he should be my only transportation or not at
>>> all. It's driving me batty! Another really big issue is the fact I
>>> need things organized (not necessarily good at that however) to be
>>> more independent. If he's going to be all male and dump everything
>>> in piles all over the house for me to trip over every once in a
>>> while, then he can't get mad at me for a bill not getting paid, a
>>> lost check or
>> his the credit card. Mine you there is no may to read a credit card
>> number on a cctv.
>>> I just can't do it. He seems to think he should "know" how to
>>> handle it and dosent realize that some people have vision that
>>> doesn't stay stable. Being a partial it is really difficult to
>>> explain. Some days I can see better than others for example.
>>>
>>> I use my cane lots of the time outside the house and sometimes at
>>> church.
>>> Once I learn the set up of a place I don['t have to ask any more
>>> questions usually than the average sighted person. I can't read
>>> print or use a monocular for a lot of outside things or indoors
>>> either for that matter. I do use strong reading glasses a lot. I
>>> am learning braille but I"ve been a print user all l my life with
>>> minimal computer skills and even less income Help! I feel like I'm
>>> in the twilight zone of sight as it is and can see why he'd be
>>> frustrated. I am too!
>>>
>>> Ericka
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Have A Blessed Day!
>> Mari Hunziker
>> 512-670-9950 home
>> 512-587-1463 cell
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 01:22:37 -0400
>> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>> Message-ID: <007101ce213d$1bb45d90$531d18b0$@gmail.com>
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>>
>> I don't understand why he would think he shouldn't be your
>> transportation, or be the only transportation you have. Cuts down on
>> flexibility.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
>> J.
>> Short
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:08 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>>
>> I know we usually talk about computers, or philosophy here, but I
>> think this is an important topic. I just wondered what kind of things
>> people have done to make their sighted spouse understand the disability
>> thing.
>> The biggest part of things for us is that we have horrible transit
>> here in Kenosha and so it?s difficult to independently travel alone.
>> My husband just doesn?t know what to do about this. I take rides with
>> friends or people from church at times, but some things I want to ride
>> with my husband to together. He either feels like he should be my only
>> transportation or not at all. It?s driving me batty! Another really
>> big issue is the fact I need things organized (not necessarily good at
>> that
>> however) to be more independent. If he?s going to be all male and
>> dump everything in piles all over the house for me to trip over every
>> once in a while, then he can?t get mad at me for a bill not getting
>> paid, a lost check or his the credit card. Mine you there is no may
>> to read a credit card number on a cctv. I just can?t do it. He
>> seems to think he should ?know? how to handle it and dosent realize
>> that some people have vision that doesn?t stay stable. Being a
>> partial it is really difficult to explain. Some days I can see better
>> than others for example.
>>
>> I use my cane lots of the time outside the house and sometimes at church.
>> Once I learn the set up of a place I don[?t have to ask any more
>> questions usually than the average sighted person. I can?t read print
>> or use a monocular for a lot of outside things or indoors either for that
>> matter.
>> I do use strong reading glasses a lot. I am learning braille but
>> I?ve been a print user all l my life with minimal computer skills and
>> even less income Help! I feel like I?m in the twilight zone of sight
>> as it is and can see why he?d be frustrated. I am too!
>>
>> Ericka
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>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:30:47 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>> Message-ID: <51447407.3080103 at neb.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Ericka,
>>
>> My husband is sighted. Before me he knew one other blind person and
>> she had only been blind for a short time before he met me. So his
>> firsthand
>> experience with blindness was extremely limited. I think this actually
>> turned out to be a good thing because he hadn't come to a lot of odd
>> assumptions about what I could and couldn't do.
>>
>> We have been married for 8 years now. Anyway from the beginning I
>> would just explain what would be helpful and what wouldn't as things
>> came up in everyday life. When we went to a restaurant and he tried
>> to steer me from behind pressing on my shoulders, what is
>> affectionately called the wheelbarrow method, I asked him to please
>> never do that again. I explained that I find it extremely
>> disconcerting and awkward. Instead I asked that he give me verbal
>> directions or offer his arm for me to
>> take. I absolutely insist that whatever mobility method I use at any
>> given moment, cane, guide dog, sighted guide or nothing, that it is
>> always my choice.
>>
>> Our method for the mail and bills is this. Whomever comes home first
>> grabs the mail out of the box. It goes on the end of the dining room
>> table for sorting. My husband sorts through the mail, putting my
>> letters in a pile on the designated corner of my desk where I have
>> asked him to put them. I go through my mail myself using a CCTV. We
>> have split up our household bills so that we are each responsible or
>> specific
>> bills. We have separate checking accounts.
>>
>> I too live in a small town. There is limited public transportation.
>> There is a door to door van service, a town to town van service, one
>> taxi and shuttles that will take you to nearby larger cities that the
>> local vans don't go to. Mostly though, I walk. The cool thing about
>> little towns is that they are small enough that you can walk to most
>> everything. I can get to the bank, post office, courthouse, shopping,
>> grocery stores, farmers market etc. I cannot walk to WalMart, the
>> hospital and one school where I have periodic meetings. When I need a
>> ride someplace I ask him. If he is able to take me he'll let me know.
>> If he can't I ask someone else.
>>
>> I agree organization is important. Fortunately both my husband and
>> myself are pretty organized. We do have our individual messy spaces
>> though. His desk drives me nuts. It's piles and piles of papers
>> everywhere. My craft supplies tend to be a bit wild too. However the
>> common living spaces are kept neat and organized. It works for us.
>>
>> Could you have him read the credit card number to you so you could put
>> it into a format that allows you independent access? Maybe write it in
>> bold black marker, Braille or audio? Then you could use it to pay on
>> line bills or internet shopping or whatever you needed.
>>
>> I agree with the suggestion to check out what services are available
>> in your state. I think when you feel more comfortable and confident
>> in yourself that it will ease your husband's mind.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:30:59 -0500
>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>> Message-ID: <6D0A92B241944E84A37FB1F045B9DD84 at HP8730notebook>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> if you are decent with your computer, you can use openbook even in
>> demo mode if you can't afford it for 40 minutes then you have to
>> restart it and you could scan your bill.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] visually impaired married to a sighted
>>
>>
>>> Ericka,
>>>
>>> My husband is sighted. Before me he knew one other blind person and
>>> she had only been blind for a short time before he met me. So his
>>> firsthand
>>> experience with blindness was extremely limited. I think this actually
>>> turned out to be a good thing because he hadn't come to a lot of odd
>>> assumptions about what I could and couldn't do.
>>>
>>> We have been married for 8 years now. Anyway from the beginning I
>>> would just explain what would be helpful and what wouldn't as things
>>> came up in everyday life. When we went to a restaurant and he tried
>>> to steer me from behind pressing on my shoulders, what is
>>> affectionately called the wheelbarrow method, I asked him to please
>>> never do that again. I explained that I find it extremely
>>> disconcerting and awkward. Instead I asked that he give me verbal
>>> directions or offer his arm for me to take.
>>> I absolutely insist that whatever mobility method I use at any given
>>> moment, cane, guide dog, sighted guide or nothing, that it is always
>>> my choice.
>>>
>>> Our method for the mail and bills is this. Whomever comes home first
>>> grabs the mail out of the box. It goes on the end of the dining room
>>> table for sorting. My husband sorts through the mail, putting my
>>> letters in a pile on the designated corner of my desk where I have
>>> asked him to put them. I go through my mail myself using a CCTV. We
>>> have split up our
>>> household bills so that we are each responsible or specific bills. We
>>> have separate checking accounts.
>>>
>>> I too live in a small town. There is limited public transportation.
>>> There is a door to door van service, a town to town van service, one
>>> taxi and shuttles that will take you to nearby larger cities that the
>>> local vans don't go to. Mostly though, I walk. The cool thing about
>>> little towns is that they are small enough that you can walk to most
>>> everything.
>>> I can get to the bank, post office, courthouse, shopping, grocery
>>> stores, farmers market etc. I cannot walk to WalMart, the hospital
>>> and one school where I have periodic meetings. When I need a ride
>>> someplace I ask him.
>>> If he is able to take me he'll let me know. If he can't I ask
>>> someone else.
>>>
>>> I agree organization is important. Fortunately both my husband and
>>> myself are pretty organized. We do have our individual messy spaces
>>> though.
>>> His
>>> desk drives me nuts. It's piles and piles of papers everywhere. My
>>> craft supplies tend to be a bit wild too. However the common living
>>> spaces are kept neat and organized. It works for us.
>>>
>>> Could you have him read the credit card number to you so you could
>>> put it into a format that allows you independent access? Maybe write it
>>> in bold
>>> black marker, Braille or audio? Then you could use it to pay on line
>>> bills or internet shopping or whatever you needed.
>>>
>>> I agree with the suggestion to check out what services are available
>>> in your state. I think when you feel more comfortable and confident
>>> in yourself that it will ease your husband's mind.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>> blindtlk:
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>>> lobal.net
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:09:57 -0700
From: "Comcast e-mail" <baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environmentswas RE:The
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
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That hybrid of a dog with the lizard was very funny! It also sounds like the
stuff that could help make the next big fantisy novel.
Kendra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environmentswas RE:The
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>I never doubted it. Now just think of how much fun it will be picking up
>after your gecodore.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Evans
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:15 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE:The
> Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Forgive my sense of humor.
> I can just see a guide dog now, trying to "swim" inside the space craft.
> We will have to cross breed them with gecgo lizards so that they have
> little suction cups on the bottoms of their paws, so that they can stick
> to the walls, floors and ceilings of the space craft or stick out an
> enormously long tongue to grab ahold of something to pull themselves, and
> us, aroungd.
> I told you I have a sense of humor!.
>
> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>> Evans
>>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>>
>>>Dear all,
>>>
>>>Zero Gravity?
>>>What are you guys smoking?
>>>
>>>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>>>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will
>>>be a must.
>>>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity
>>>and bone loss is a major issue.
>>>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone
>>>that bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his
>> arms.
>>>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin
>>>or roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to
>>>help prevent bone loss.
>>>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help
>>>him keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane
>>>will be nearly useless, on board the space craft, as I see it now.
>>>At least until his feet are back on the ground.
>>>
>>>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers
>>>and sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome
>>>as they always have in the past.
>>>
>>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar
>>>Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk
>>>Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>>
>>>
>>> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
>>> >
>>> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity,
>>> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I
>>> > thought dragging an enslaved pooch onto a water ride was venturing
>>> > over the top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W.
>>> > (ESC) wrote:
>>> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and
>>> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it
>>> >>a bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to
>>> >>string lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement.
>>> >>It would be wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that
>>> >>way, it would be possible to use a cane or other device to follow
>>> >>it along. I would not recommend a dog guide in this situation
>>> >>unless of course it were
>>> specially trained.
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>Daniel Garcia
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
>>> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
>>> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I
>>> >>would imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things
>>> >>about gravity is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you
>>> >>don't fly off in any unknown direction.
>>> >>
>>> >>Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >>David Evans
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
>>> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Dear Mike,
>>> >>
>>> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get
>>> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest
>>> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape,
>>> >>size and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to
>>> >>go on instead of using a sighted guide.
>>> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of
>>> >>me or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I
>>> >>am veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
>>> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use
>>> >>a touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
>>> >>Now I use one. See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as
>>> >>he is willing to learn and has an open mind.
>>> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us
>>> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
>>> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that
>>> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
>>> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just
>>> >>hope that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the
>>> >>Moon.
>>> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see
>>> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since
>>> >>they were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and
>>> >>17.
>>> >>
>>> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > David:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping
>>> >> > iPhone apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We shall see.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mike
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> >> > David Evans
>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
>>> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dear All,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog
>>> >> > as my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel
>>> >> > grab hold of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me or
>>> >> > prevent me from making contact with someone or something.
>>> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my
>>> >> > "eyes"
>>> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be
>>> >> > aware of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless
>>> >> > they want to wear it as a nose stopper.
>>> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not
>>> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
>>> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take
>>> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
>>> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide
>>> >> > dog as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a
>>> >> > attack dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working
>>> >> > that hard to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of
>>> >> > helping me.
>>> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone
>>> >> > is ready.
>>> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
>>> >> > accessible.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you? One really has to
>>> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't
>>> >> >> realize immediately how undignified that feels. The cane is
>>> >> >> not a leash, or a tether, or a pole attaching two people. I
>>> >> >> just gently grab it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay,
>>> >> >> I'm fine." One of those situations where we ask the Lord to
>>> >> >> please give us
>>> strength and patience.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Mark Tardif
>>> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
>>> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Bonnie:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a
>>> >> >> sighted family member or friend and they grab the came because
>>> >> >> there are people coming the other direction. The whole point of
>>> >> >> the cane is for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with
>>> >> >> such force that I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab
>>> >> >> my cane.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Sigh.......
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Daniel
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> >> >> Of Bonnie Ainsworth
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
>>> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel. I
>>> >> >> won't let anyone take my cane from me.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
>>> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if
>>> >> >> the cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way
>>> >> >> to land the thing.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that
>>> >> >> mean next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned
>>> >> >> about safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane
>>> >> >> is like an American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
>>> >> >>
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:02:29 -0800
From: "Bonnie Lucas" <lucas.bonnie at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] New Employment Research Study
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Arielle,
Is there still time to do this survey? I assume there is since it wasn't
that long ago that your note was sent out. Clearing out email and noticed it
again.
Bonnie Lucas
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:17 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] New Employment Research Study
Dear list,
My name is Arielle Silverman, and I am a doctoral student in psychology at
the University of Colorado at Boulder. My advisor, Dr.
Geoffrey Cohen, and I are conducting an online study investigating blind and
visually impaired adults' experiences with preparing for and getting
employment. We are looking for legally blind adults over the age of 18 who
live in the United States and who are currently seeking employment, as well
as high school and college seniors and graduate students who plan to
graduate in May or August 2013, to participate in our study.
This study consists of three phases, which you will complete entirely
online. During the first phase, you will answer some questions about your
background, attitudes and personal experiences, and will write a short essay
about a personally significant event. This session will last for about 45
minutes. Then, you will be asked to fill out a brief questionnaire every
night for the next seven days, describing your experiences and things you
did during the day. Each of these should take about 10 minutes. Finally,
about a month from now, you will fill out another online survey similar to
the first one, which should take about half an hour. In exchange for your
participation, you will receive three $10 gift certificates to a merchant of
your choice (either Amazon.com, Itunes.com, Olive Garden Restaurant, or AMC
Theaters), one for each phase of the study.
To be eligible to participate, you must be:
(1) a legally blind adult aged 18 or older living in the United States; and
either
(2) currently seeking a long-term job, or
(3) a student planning to graduate by August 2013 and then planning to seek
employment after graduation. High school, college and graduate students are
all eligible, as long as you intend to seek employment immediately after
graduating.
To complete the first part of the study and receive your first $10 gift
certificate, please go to:
http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_1OdonrYSXxrepfL
Or, if you would prefer, you may email me at Arielle.silverman at colorado.edu
To request a text version of the initial survey.
If you are not eligible to participate yourself, I would appreciate if you
could forward this announcement to anyone you know who is eligible and might
be interested.
If you have any questions before, during or after the study, feel free to
contact me at Arielle.silverman at colorado.edu You may also contact Dr.
Geoffrey Cohen at Cohen.geoff at gmail.com
Thank you in advance for your participation in our research.
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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:42:50 -0400
From: "blueskies11" <blueskies11 at torpey.info>
To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] Eyes On Success Features: New Features of JAWS 14
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1316 New Features of JAWS 14 (Apr. 17, 2013)
<http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/eos_1316_podcast.mp3>
Show Notes <http://www.eyesonsuccess.net/show_notes_1316.htm>
This week hosts Peter and Nancy Torpey talk with Jonathon Mosen from Freedom
Scientific about some of the new and exciting features in JAWS 14. Jonathan
demonstrates the power of "Flexible Web" and also discusses the new
Vocalizer voices, improvements to the Text Analyzer and Convenient OCR and
more
Below are links for other ways you can connect with Eyes On Success and keep
track of upcoming shows. Please pass this along to others who you think
might be interested.
Check out Eyes On Success (formerly ViewPoints)
A weekly, half hour audio program for people living with low vision
Below are links for other ways you can connect with the show and keep track
of upcoming episodes.
Find out more about the show and get links to the podcasts at:
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:18:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Mihai Plavitu <mihai_plavitu at yahoo.com>
To: "blindtlk at nfbnet.org" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] Tourism for you!
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Hello!
My name is Mihai Plavitu and I am a student
at Aalborg University in Denmark studying a Masters in Tourism. My
colleague,
Mihaela Pelea and I are carrying out research about ways to improve the
tourism
services for people who are blind or vision impaired. We would like to
speak to
people who are blind or vision impaired and ask about the travel
experiences and what could be improved. If you are interested in getting
involved please email me at mihai_plavitu at yahoo.com and if it's easier
for you, I will arrange to call
you on Skype.
Many thanks for your help.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:27:35 -0400
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] accessible grocery stores web sites
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Good afternoon. Does anyone know of accessible grocery store web sites? I
use jaws 14.
Thanks.
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