[Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are blind.

Mon Feb 4 22:10:50 UTC 2013

eyes on success!

On 2/4/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention, particularly a
>
> national convention.  You will meet all kinds of people and probably hear
> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use and
>
> come back feeling really stimulated.  It's fun, it's informative,
> life-changing.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>
> blind.
>
> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>
> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>> organizations.  Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>> people
>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>> corrected.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are blind.
>>
>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>
>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong.  I found
>> it
>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>> because
>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that there
>> was
>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.  So
>> it
>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds.  When I lived in Florida,
>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem to
>> be
>> such a major issue.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Judy Jones
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more
>> proactive.
>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social organization,
>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the membership.
>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not sure
>> if
>> this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>> predominant.
>>
>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>
>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent
>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When
>>
>> I
>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized how
>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>> organization in any way I can.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>>
>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>
>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>> Optacon.
>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I
>>>>> also
>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling
>>>>>out
>>>>>
>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>> spatial
>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options
>>>>> or
>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>> some
>>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use
>>>>> of
>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>
>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best.
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need
>>>>> to
>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to
>>>>> do
>>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>> tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>> tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
konker never fear. try try try agan.