[Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are blind.

Tue Feb 5 14:29:00 UTC 2013

I think that is the case in most states. Those who have been on this
list for a while will probably remember my positions on the two
organizations working together. Many times on this list, I tried to
suggest that the two organizations work together on issues affecting
all of us, since I thought that we were both working toward the same
goals. I argued that the internal "Civil War" 50 years ago shouldn't
affect  relations between the two organizations today. As I learned
more about both organizations and what they stood for, I realized that
this could not happen anytime soon. Now, I find myself agreeing with
what NFB is for the most part doing: doing our own thing and letting
ACB do theirs. If we all can work together on some issues, I'm all for
that. But partnership is a two-way street, and unless ACB is really
willing to come together, I think we should just leave them alone. I
do know one thing for sure: although I try to stay informed about what
the ACB is doing, I personally choose the Federation.

Chris Nusbaum

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On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net> wrote:

> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB does igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB is. I have seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the political battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost spectacularly. Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB of Oregon tends to minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually minds their own business.
> Kendra
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
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> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are blind.
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>> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not sure if this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the NFB is predominant.
>>
>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>
>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the organization in any way I can.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are blind.
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>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>
>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the Optacon.
>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I also
>>>>> use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>> depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things that
>>>>>
>>>>> are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling out
>>>>>
>>>>> a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>> handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with spatial
>>>>> relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options or
>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have some
>>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use of
>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the CCTV
>>>>>
>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best. I
>>>>>
>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need to
>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to do
>>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means. I'm
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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