[Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
happychikao at gmail.com
Fri Feb 8 01:43:50 UTC 2013
i aggree
On 2/7/13, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
> Semply the ACB are negivite.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
>
>
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> To learn just what happened and why the ACB split from the NFB, Read the
>> Book,"Walking Alone and Marching Together".
>> This was a time in our country's history when the large sheltered workshop
>>
>> operators were afraid of the NFB and its threat to their little empires.
>> It was also a time of revolution in the Black Civil Rights movement and
>> the struggle left over from the American Civil War that pitted state's
>> rights versus federal rights and the question of wheather or not to let
>> Jews and Blacks be members of the NFB.
>> Some states did not want them to be members and the NFB said that they
>> should be allowed. The membership, that later became the ACB, thought
>> that they shouldn't.
>> The ACB did not allow them as members for many years, until after the
>> Civil Rights of Blacks was a fact with the passage of the Civil Rights
>> Act.
>> The membership of the NFB makes its policies, which the state affilliates
>>
>> must also follow, but the ACB state affilliates can act independently from
>>
>> the wishes of their national body.
>> This leads to allot of confusion and contriversity within the Blind
>> Community.
>> This played into the hands of the workshop operators that began splitting
>>
>> off many of their workers that they could trot out to oppose the NFB
>> efforts to get better wages and working conditions in the sheltered
>> shops.
>> We are still fighting that battle today in trying to get section 14 C of
>> the Fair Wages Standards Act that is been on the books since 1938.
>> This is the section that gives the right to sheltaered shop operators to
>> pay less than minimum wages.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
>>
>>
>>> There are different organizations of blind people just like there are
>>> different political parties. We work together when we can, and we don't
>>> when we can't. Part of the difference is structural. In the Federation,
>>> the national body is supreme. If a decision is made by the delegates at a
>>>
>>> national convention, it is binding on the state affiliates. It is my
>>> understanding, and not being a member, I have no standing to have an
>>> opinion, that the ACB is less tightly bound, that is, states can go their
>>>
>>> own way. This was one of the reasons the American Council split from the
>>>
>>> Federation.
>>>
>>> My suggestion to learn about the differences is to read the literature of
>>>
>>> both. By the way you can be a member of both, but you may not hold office
>>>
>>> in the Federation if you are, in most affiliates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ari
>>> Damoulakis
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:36 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] acb or nfb/best practices
>>>
>>> Hi Ericka
>>> Yes, I'd please actually like to know more about this whole NFB ACB,
>>> AFB thing. Why are there so many different blind organisations in
>>> America? I have also read articles about one group not wanting to have
>>> anything to do with the other group? What is the difference between
>>> the NFB and the ACB, and is it true they don't like each other? If it
>>> is true, why?
>>> Thanks
>>> Ari
>>>
>>> On 2/5/13, Ericka J. Short <ericka.short at att.net> wrote:
>>>> I don't think there's a problem being a member of both. In WI I don't
>>>> think
>>>>
>>>> the two groups really work together on things, but they both have a
>>>> presence
>>>>
>>>> here. The NFB mostly works with the public schools and the ACB works
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>> the adults. We really don't have much of a chapter here of the NFB so
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> feel pretty on my own. I am willing to hear suggestions from everyone
>>>> because each persons situation is different and I don't like being
>>>> dictated
>>>>
>>>> to. I don't appreciate being told I have to do something this way
>>>> because
>>>> it worked for a majority of the blind. My previous experinnces,
>>>> education
>>>> and interests all play into what I use. I have always enjoyed working
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>> the disabled and elderly. Not everything the NFB stands for helps
>>>> someone
>>>>
>>>> who has lived with sight for most of their lives. Kids or adults
>>>> with
>>>> multiple disabilities--cognitive plus vlind and epilepsy for example
>>>> cannot
>>>>
>>>> be as independent as most of the NFB philosophy asks. Because I
>>>> believe
>>>>
>>>> in variety and support for all, I belong to both organizations.
>>>>
>>>> As for what techniques work best, I don't believe anyone can tell you.
>>>> all
>>>>
>>>> you need to do is gather suggestions and try them yourself.
>>>> Everyone's
>>>> job, abilities are different. I hate the NFB white cane by the way. I
>>>>
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>> mine which has a rolling tip. I feel more independent and safe with it.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>> love and agree with Julie's email response. I am visually impaired and
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have a toolkit. I use MAGic on the screen with voice for the computer,
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>> cctv for filling out forms or reading mail and if it's light reading I
>>>>
>>>> use
>>>>
>>>> my high powered reading glasses or 10X magnifier. To get places however
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have use the same skills as a totally blind person for the most part
>>>> because I cannot scan or otherwise read signs with special equipment.
>>>> I am
>>>>
>>>> no techie and cannot afford any kind of cellphone, tablet etc., so I
>>>> don't
>>>> know what's going to be of use for me.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:00 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: blindtlk Digest, Vol 80, Issue 4
>>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. app recommendations (Sarah)
>>>> 2. Re: app recommendations (Ari Damoulakis)
>>>> 3. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>>> blind. (Mark Tardif)
>>>> 4. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>>> blind. (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
>>>> 5. Re: app recommendations (Judy Jones)
>>>> 6. FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell
>>>> the world in our video (Humberto Avila)
>>>> 7. Re: FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you?
>>>> Tell the world in our video (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
>>>> 8. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>>> 9. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>>> blind. (Kendra Schaber)
>>>> 10. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>>> 11. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>>> blind. (Kendra Schaber)
>>>> 12. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>>> 13. Re: app recommendations (christopher nusbaum)
>>>> 14. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>>> blind. (christopher nusbaum)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:18:05 -0600
>>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <BLU170-DS2926C2E56D41DCF8956C16B7010 at phx.gbl>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:08:40 +0200
>>>> From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAOo351SJFtAGmedpr4hScvQR7dGxN_YjpEp9qtur-OtdehhBNg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sarah
>>>> I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
>>>> love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
>>>> traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
>>>> faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
>>>> do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
>>>> but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
>>>> there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
>>>> people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
>>>> think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
>>>> education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
>>>> faster.
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>> or
>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>> not
>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>> taking
>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>> Sarah
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:04:19 -0500
>>>> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who are blind.
>>>> Message-ID: <E93CC820D66545D1A79B7546CFAAB25A at mPC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention,
>>>> particularly a
>>>> national convention. You will meet all kinds of people and probably
>>>> hear
>>>> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>> come back feeling really stimulated. It's fun, it's informative,
>>>> life-changing.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>>> people
>>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>>> found
>>>>> it
>>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>>> because
>>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that
>>>>> there
>>>>> was
>>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>>> So
>>>>> it
>>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>>> Florida,
>>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>> proactive.
>>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>> organization,
>>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>>> membership.
>>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>>> sure
>>>>> if
>>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>>> predominant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>> independent
>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>> When
>>>>> I
>>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>>> how
>>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>>moment
>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>>filling
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:10:50 -0500
>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who are blind.
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> eyes on success!
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention,
>>>>> particularly
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>> national convention. You will meet all kinds of people and probably
>>>>> hear
>>>>> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind
>>>>> use
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> come back feeling really stimulated. It's fun, it's informative,
>>>>> life-changing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>>>> Florida,
>>>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>>> proactive.
>>>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>>>> predominant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 02/01/13
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>>>>> 02/03/13
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:04 -0700
>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <034D5FA90FA64E1D91C490B226C2113E at JudyPC>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>> or
>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>> not
>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>> taking
>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jtj1%40cableone.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:03 -0800
>>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, <blindTlk at nfbNet.org>, <GUI-talk at nfbNet.org>,
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbNet.org>, <nfbWaTlk at nfbNet.org>, <nfb-talk at nfbNet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped
>>>> you? Tell the world in our video
>>>> Message-ID: <000d01ce0348$4a0281d0$de078570$@gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>> [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA
>>>> announcement list
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
>>>> To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>> Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the
>>>> world
>>>> in
>>>> our video
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all NVDA users,
>>>>
>>>> We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would love
>>>> NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you
>>>> know,
>>>> has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear from
>>>> you. Here's what you need to do:
>>>>
>>>> (1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera,
>>>> camcorder,
>>>> smart phone, tablet, or PC.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
>>>> it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.
>>>>
>>>> (3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
>>>> horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
>>>> product than a vertical shot.
>>>>
>>>> (4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
>>>> then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
>>>> succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
>>>> speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us with
>>>> a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.
>>>>
>>>> (5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can
>>>> file
>>>> share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
>>>> that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
>>>> email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
>>>> for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
>>>> (5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as
>>>> possible
>>>> within reason.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about
>>>> our
>>>> soon-to-be-created Youtube channel.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued
>>>> development:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This is the NVDA announcement mailing list.
>>>> To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit:
>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:38:48 -0500
>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: GUI-talk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nfbWaTlk at nfbnet.org,
>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org, nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA
>>>> helped you? Tell the world in our video
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAJ9TNJrn2QJ0HB7zrbzDeoWKhyBEY9giBDDh0RNLjQXupgF2Kw at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> hello question? can i type in text? my testemoneyal for nvda? NVDA?
>>>> has change the way i use a talking pc!
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/13, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>>> [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA
>>>>> announcement list
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
>>>>> To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>>> Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the
>>>>> world
>>>>> in
>>>>> our video
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello to all NVDA users,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would
>>>>> love
>>>>> NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you
>>>>> know,
>>>>> has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear
>>>>> from
>>>>> you. Here's what you need to do:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera,
>>>>> camcorder,
>>>>> smart phone, tablet, or PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
>>>>> it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
>>>>> horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
>>>>> product than a vertical shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> (4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
>>>>> then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
>>>>> succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
>>>>> speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us
>>>>> with
>>>>> a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.
>>>>>
>>>>> (5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can
>>>>> file
>>>>> share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
>>>>> that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
>>>>> email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
>>>>> for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
>>>>> (5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as
>>>>> possible
>>>>> within reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about
>>>>> our
>>>>> soon-to-be-created Youtube channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued
>>>>> development:
>>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This is the NVDA announcement mailing list.
>>>>> To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit:
>>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/happychikao%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:07:01 -0800
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <59CBC424CF28410E98C47B85CA5E15BC at your90477e8f53>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that an app called Pages is a good one. I have not tried it
>>>> myself. One of my friends who also has an iphone told me about it.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ari Damoulakis" <aridamoulakis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sarah
>>>> I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
>>>> love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
>>>> traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
>>>> faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
>>>> do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
>>>> but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
>>>> there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
>>>> people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
>>>> think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
>>>> education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
>>>> faster.
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>> or
>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>> not
>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>> taking
>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/aridamoulakis%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> blindtlk:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/baltimore777%40comcast.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:55:55 -0800
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who are blind.
>>>> Message-ID: <2F0FE9C1E9694FC686EE605AE286EBFE at your90477e8f53>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB
>>>> does
>>>> igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB is. I
>>>> have
>>>> seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the political
>>>> battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost
>>>> spectacularly.
>>>> Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB of Oregon tends
>>>> to
>>>> minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually minds their own
>>>> business.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably
>>>>> together,
>>>>> but am not sure if this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho,
>>>>> the
>>>>> NFB is predominant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>> independent
>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>> When
>>>>> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I
>>>>> realized
>>>>> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to
>>>>> the
>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>>moment
>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>>filling
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>>spatial
>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:57:47 -0800
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <1D8CDDABEC034B87B6EA1DA1530343C4 at your90477e8f53>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on the
>>>> notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in utillities.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:25:41 -0800
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who are blind.
>>>> Message-ID: <A56FF5AD992847B4AC0F1CE230AED6A0 at your90477e8f53>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> I have been to the NFB national convention in Detroit, Michigan in
>>>> 2009.
>>>> The
>>>> convention was awesome! You get to learn about the latest in
>>>> technology,
>>>> blindness techniques, laws that we are trying to fix or introduce, hore
>>>> stories, insparitional stories and so on. There are a zillion
>>>> activities
>>>> that you get to pick from each day. You won't want to miss out on the
>>>> banquit. At the banquit, you get to hear Mark Maurer speak and see many
>>>> awards get presented. Going to one NFB convention is worth it even if
>>>> you
>>>> never get to go to another one. By the way, for those Ravens fans out
>>>> there,
>>>> go Ravens!!!
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>>>> Florida,
>>>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>>> proactive.
>>>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>>>> predominant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> 02/01/13
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 00:10:26 -0800
>>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <6835CAB5F0014802812624ADD74634E4 at your90477e8f53>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sarah, there is the notes app and voice memmo that you can use to
>>>> take
>>>> notes that is, if you don't want to take notes on a braille note taker.
>>>> There is also the new Braille Touch app which the full version allows
>>>> you
>>>> to
>>>> copy and paste notes into any other app on your iphone.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:18 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>> or
>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>> not
>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>> taking
>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/baltimore777%40comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:58:36 -0500
>>>> From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>> Message-ID: <4168182160574227277 at unknownmsgid>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard of the office square app either. What is it and what
>>>> does it
>>>>
>>>> do?
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on
>>>>> the
>>>>> notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in
>>>>> utillities.
>>>>> Kendra
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jtj1%40cableone.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:29:00 -0500
>>>> From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who are blind.
>>>> Message-ID: <-8971458556013577533 at unknownmsgid>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> I think that is the case in most states. Those who have been on this
>>>> list for a while will probably remember my positions on the two
>>>> organizations working together. Many times on this list, I tried to
>>>> suggest that the two organizations work together on issues affecting
>>>> all of us, since I thought that we were both working toward the same
>>>> goals. I argued that the internal "Civil War" 50 years ago shouldn't
>>>> affect relations between the two organizations today. As I learned
>>>> more about both organizations and what they stood for, I realized that
>>>> this could not happen anytime soon. Now, I find myself agreeing with
>>>> what NFB is for the most part doing: doing our own thing and letting
>>>> ACB do theirs. If we all can work together on some issues, I'm all for
>>>> that. But partnership is a two-way street, and unless ACB is really
>>>> willing to come together, I think we should just leave them alone. I
>>>> do know one thing for sure: although I try to stay informed about what
>>>> the ACB is doing, I personally choose the Federation.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB
>>>>> does igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB
>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the
>>>>> political battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost
>>>>> spectacularly. Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB
>>>>> of
>>>>> Oregon tends to minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually
>>>>> minds
>>>>>
>>>>> their own business.
>>>>> Kendra
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>>> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>>> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably
>>>>>> together,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but am not sure if this is true in all states. In our state of
>>>>>> Idaho,
>>>>>> the NFB is predominant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I
>>>>>> realized
>>>>>> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo"
>>>>>> <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>>> depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>>> filling out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>> handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>> relationships.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
konker never fear. try try try agan.
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