[Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
RJ Sandefur
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Fri Feb 8 00:17:58 UTC 2013
Semply the ACB are negivite.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> To learn just what happened and why the ACB split from the NFB, Read the
> Book,"Walking Alone and Marching Together".
> This was a time in our country's history when the large sheltered workshop
> operators were afraid of the NFB and its threat to their little empires.
> It was also a time of revolution in the Black Civil Rights movement and
> the struggle left over from the American Civil War that pitted state's
> rights versus federal rights and the question of wheather or not to let
> Jews and Blacks be members of the NFB.
> Some states did not want them to be members and the NFB said that they
> should be allowed. The membership, that later became the ACB, thought
> that they shouldn't.
> The ACB did not allow them as members for many years, until after the
> Civil Rights of Blacks was a fact with the passage of the Civil Rights
> Act.
> The membership of the NFB makes its policies, which the state affilliates
> must also follow, but the ACB state affilliates can act independently from
> the wishes of their national body.
> This leads to allot of confusion and contriversity within the Blind
> Community.
> This played into the hands of the workshop operators that began splitting
> off many of their workers that they could trot out to oppose the NFB
> efforts to get better wages and working conditions in the sheltered shops.
> We are still fighting that battle today in trying to get section 14 C of
> the Fair Wages Standards Act that is been on the books since 1938.
> This is the section that gives the right to sheltaered shop operators to
> pay less than minimum wages.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] ACB or nfb/best practices
>
>
>> There are different organizations of blind people just like there are
>> different political parties. We work together when we can, and we don't
>> when we can't. Part of the difference is structural. In the Federation,
>> the national body is supreme. If a decision is made by the delegates at a
>> national convention, it is binding on the state affiliates. It is my
>> understanding, and not being a member, I have no standing to have an
>> opinion, that the ACB is less tightly bound, that is, states can go their
>> own way. This was one of the reasons the American Council split from the
>> Federation.
>>
>> My suggestion to learn about the differences is to read the literature of
>> both. By the way you can be a member of both, but you may not hold office
>> in the Federation if you are, in most affiliates.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ari
>> Damoulakis
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:36 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] acb or nfb/best practices
>>
>> Hi Ericka
>> Yes, I'd please actually like to know more about this whole NFB ACB,
>> AFB thing. Why are there so many different blind organisations in
>> America? I have also read articles about one group not wanting to have
>> anything to do with the other group? What is the difference between
>> the NFB and the ACB, and is it true they don't like each other? If it
>> is true, why?
>> Thanks
>> Ari
>>
>> On 2/5/13, Ericka J. Short <ericka.short at att.net> wrote:
>>> I don't think there's a problem being a member of both. In WI I don't
>>> think
>>>
>>> the two groups really work together on things, but they both have a
>>> presence
>>>
>>> here. The NFB mostly works with the public schools and the ACB works
>>> with
>>>
>>> the adults. We really don't have much of a chapter here of the NFB so
>>> I
>>> feel pretty on my own. I am willing to hear suggestions from everyone
>>> because each persons situation is different and I don't like being
>>> dictated
>>>
>>> to. I don't appreciate being told I have to do something this way
>>> because
>>> it worked for a majority of the blind. My previous experinnces,
>>> education
>>> and interests all play into what I use. I have always enjoyed working
>>> with
>>>
>>> the disabled and elderly. Not everything the NFB stands for helps
>>> someone
>>>
>>> who has lived with sight for most of their lives. Kids or adults with
>>> multiple disabilities--cognitive plus vlind and epilepsy for example
>>> cannot
>>>
>>> be as independent as most of the NFB philosophy asks. Because I
>>> believe
>>>
>>> in variety and support for all, I belong to both organizations.
>>>
>>> As for what techniques work best, I don't believe anyone can tell you.
>>> all
>>>
>>> you need to do is gather suggestions and try them yourself. Everyone's
>>> job, abilities are different. I hate the NFB white cane by the way. I
>>> like
>>>
>>> mine which has a rolling tip. I feel more independent and safe with it.
>>> I
>>>
>>> love and agree with Julie's email response. I am visually impaired and
>>> I
>>> have a toolkit. I use MAGic on the screen with voice for the computer,
>>> my
>>> cctv for filling out forms or reading mail and if it's light reading I
>>> use
>>>
>>> my high powered reading glasses or 10X magnifier. To get places however
>>> I
>>> have use the same skills as a totally blind person for the most part
>>> because I cannot scan or otherwise read signs with special equipment.
>>> I am
>>>
>>> no techie and cannot afford any kind of cellphone, tablet etc., so I
>>> don't
>>> know what's going to be of use for me.
>>>
>>> Ericka
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:00 PM
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. app recommendations (Sarah)
>>> 2. Re: app recommendations (Ari Damoulakis)
>>> 3. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>> blind. (Mark Tardif)
>>> 4. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>> blind. (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
>>> 5. Re: app recommendations (Judy Jones)
>>> 6. FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell
>>> the world in our video (Humberto Avila)
>>> 7. Re: FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you?
>>> Tell the world in our video (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
>>> 8. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>> 9. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>> blind. (Kendra Schaber)
>>> 10. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>> 11. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>> blind. (Kendra Schaber)
>>> 12. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
>>> 13. Re: app recommendations (christopher nusbaum)
>>> 14. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
>>> blind. (christopher nusbaum)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:18:05 -0600
>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <BLU170-DS2926C2E56D41DCF8956C16B7010 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>> notes? Thank you.
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:08:40 +0200
>>> From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com>
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAOo351SJFtAGmedpr4hScvQR7dGxN_YjpEp9qtur-OtdehhBNg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> Hi Sarah
>>> I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
>>> love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
>>> traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
>>> faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
>>> do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
>>> but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
>>> there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
>>> people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
>>> think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
>>> education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
>>> faster.
>>> Ari
>>>
>>> On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>> Sarah
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:04:19 -0500
>>> From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who are blind.
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>>>
>>> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention,
>>> particularly a
>>> national convention. You will meet all kinds of people and probably
>>> hear
>>> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use
>>> and
>>> come back feeling really stimulated. It's fun, it's informative,
>>> life-changing.
>>>
>>> Mark Tardif
>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>>> are
>>> blind.
>>>
>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>
>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>> people
>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>> corrected.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>> found
>>>> it
>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>> because
>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that there
>>>> was
>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>> So
>>>> it
>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>> Florida,
>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>> proactive.
>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>> organization,
>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>> membership.
>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>> sure
>>>> if
>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>> predominant.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>> independent
>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>> When
>>>> I
>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>> how
>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>moment
>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>filling
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
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>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
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>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:10:50 -0500
>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who are blind.
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> eyes on success!
>>>
>>> On 2/4/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention,
>>>> particularly
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> national convention. You will meet all kinds of people and probably
>>>> hear
>>>> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> come back feeling really stimulated. It's fun, it's informative,
>>>> life-changing.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are
>>>>
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>>> people
>>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>>> found
>>>>> it
>>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>>> because
>>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that
>>>>> there
>>>>> was
>>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>>> So
>>>>> it
>>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>>> Florida,
>>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>> proactive.
>>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>> organization,
>>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>>> membership.
>>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>>> sure
>>>>> if
>>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>>> predominant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>> independent
>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>> When
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>>> how
>>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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>>>
>>> --
>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:04 -0700
>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <034D5FA90FA64E1D91C490B226C2113E at JudyPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>> Sarah
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:03 -0800
>>> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, <blindTlk at nfbNet.org>, <GUI-talk at nfbNet.org>,
>>> <nfbcs at nfbNet.org>, <nfbWaTlk at nfbNet.org>, <nfb-talk at nfbNet.org>
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped
>>> you? Tell the world in our video
>>> Message-ID: <000d01ce0348$4a0281d0$de078570$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org
>>> [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA
>>> announcement list
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
>>> To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org
>>> Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the
>>> world
>>> in
>>> our video
>>>
>>> Hello to all NVDA users,
>>>
>>> We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would love
>>> NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you know,
>>> has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear from
>>> you. Here's what you need to do:
>>>
>>> (1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera, camcorder,
>>> smart phone, tablet, or PC.
>>>
>>> (2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
>>> it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.
>>>
>>> (3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
>>> horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
>>> product than a vertical shot.
>>>
>>> (4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
>>> then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
>>> succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
>>> speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us with
>>> a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.
>>>
>>> (5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can file
>>> share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
>>> that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
>>> email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
>>> for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
>>> (5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as possible
>>> within reason.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about our
>>> soon-to-be-created Youtube channel.
>>>
>>> Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued
>>> development:
>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:38:48 -0500
>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: GUI-talk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nfbWaTlk at nfbnet.org,
>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org, nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA
>>> helped you? Tell the world in our video
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAJ9TNJrn2QJ0HB7zrbzDeoWKhyBEY9giBDDh0RNLjQXupgF2Kw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> hello question? can i type in text? my testemoneyal for nvda? NVDA?
>>> has change the way i use a talking pc!
>>>
>>> On 2/4/13, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>> [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA
>>>> announcement list
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
>>>> To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org
>>>> Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the
>>>> world
>>>> in
>>>> our video
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all NVDA users,
>>>>
>>>> We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would love
>>>> NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you
>>>> know,
>>>> has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear from
>>>> you. Here's what you need to do:
>>>>
>>>> (1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera,
>>>> camcorder,
>>>> smart phone, tablet, or PC.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
>>>> it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.
>>>>
>>>> (3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
>>>> horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
>>>> product than a vertical shot.
>>>>
>>>> (4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
>>>> then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
>>>> succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
>>>> speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us with
>>>> a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.
>>>>
>>>> (5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can
>>>> file
>>>> share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
>>>> that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
>>>> email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
>>>> for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
>>>> (5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as
>>>> possible
>>>> within reason.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about
>>>> our
>>>> soon-to-be-created Youtube channel.
>>>>
>>>> Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued
>>>> development:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> To unsubscribe or edit your options, please visit:
>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-announce
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:07:01 -0800
>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <59CBC424CF28410E98C47B85CA5E15BC at your90477e8f53>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> I've heard that an app called Pages is a good one. I have not tried it
>>> myself. One of my friends who also has an iphone told me about it.
>>> Kendra
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ari Damoulakis" <aridamoulakis at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sarah
>>> I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
>>> love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
>>> traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
>>> faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
>>> do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
>>> but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
>>> there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
>>> people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
>>> think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
>>> education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
>>> faster.
>>> Ari
>>>
>>> On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>> Sarah
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:55:55 -0800
>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who are blind.
>>> Message-ID: <2F0FE9C1E9694FC686EE605AE286EBFE at your90477e8f53>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=response
>>>
>>> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB
>>> does
>>> igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB is. I
>>> have
>>> seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the political
>>> battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost spectacularly.
>>> Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB of Oregon tends
>>> to
>>> minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually minds their own
>>> business.
>>> Kendra
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>>> are
>>> blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather than
>>>> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably
>>>> together,
>>>> but am not sure if this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho,
>>>> the
>>>> NFB is predominant.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>> independent
>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>> When
>>>> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>moment
>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>filling
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>spatial
>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:57:47 -0800
>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <1D8CDDABEC034B87B6EA1DA1530343C4 at your90477e8f53>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>> reply-type=response
>>>
>>> I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on the
>>> notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in utillities.
>>> Kendra
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>> or
>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>> not
>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>> taking
>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>> Sarah
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>>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:25:41 -0800
>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who are blind.
>>> Message-ID: <A56FF5AD992847B4AC0F1CE230AED6A0 at your90477e8f53>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> I have been to the NFB national convention in Detroit, Michigan in 2009.
>>> The
>>> convention was awesome! You get to learn about the latest in technology,
>>> blindness techniques, laws that we are trying to fix or introduce, hore
>>> stories, insparitional stories and so on. There are a zillion activities
>>> that you get to pick from each day. You won't want to miss out on the
>>> banquit. At the banquit, you get to hear Mark Maurer speak and see many
>>> awards get presented. Going to one NFB convention is worth it even if
>>> you
>>> never get to go to another one. By the way, for those Ravens fans out
>>> there,
>>> go Ravens!!!
>>> Kendra
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>>> are
>>> blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>>>>> organizations. Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>>>>> people
>>>>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>>>>> corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cheryl echevarria
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>>>>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I
>>>>> found
>>>>> it
>>>>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>>>>> because
>>>>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that
>>>>> there
>>>>> was
>>>>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.
>>>>> So
>>>>> it
>>>>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds. When I lived in
>>>>> Florida,
>>>>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> such a major issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Judy Jones
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>> proactive.
>>>>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>> organization,
>>>>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the
>>>>> membership.
>>>>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not
>>>>> sure
>>>>> if
>>>>> this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>>>>> predominant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>> independent
>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>> When
>>>>> I
>>>>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
>>>>> how
>>>>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 00:10:26 -0800
>>> From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <6835CAB5F0014802812624ADD74634E4 at your90477e8f53>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Hi Sarah, there is the notes app and voice memmo that you can use to
>>> take
>>> notes that is, if you don't want to take notes on a braille note taker.
>>> There is also the new Braille Touch app which the full version allows
>>> you
>>> to
>>> copy and paste notes into any other app on your iphone.
>>> Kendra
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:18 AM
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>> Sarah
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:58:36 -0500
>>> From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>> Message-ID: <4168182160574227277 at unknownmsgid>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> I haven't heard of the office square app either. What is it and what
>>> does it
>>>
>>> do?
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on the
>>>> notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in utillities.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jtj1%40cableone.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:29:00 -0500
>>> From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who are blind.
>>> Message-ID: <-8971458556013577533 at unknownmsgid>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> I think that is the case in most states. Those who have been on this
>>> list for a while will probably remember my positions on the two
>>> organizations working together. Many times on this list, I tried to
>>> suggest that the two organizations work together on issues affecting
>>> all of us, since I thought that we were both working toward the same
>>> goals. I argued that the internal "Civil War" 50 years ago shouldn't
>>> affect relations between the two organizations today. As I learned
>>> more about both organizations and what they stood for, I realized that
>>> this could not happen anytime soon. Now, I find myself agreeing with
>>> what NFB is for the most part doing: doing our own thing and letting
>>> ACB do theirs. If we all can work together on some issues, I'm all for
>>> that. But partnership is a two-way street, and unless ACB is really
>>> willing to come together, I think we should just leave them alone. I
>>> do know one thing for sure: although I try to stay informed about what
>>> the ACB is doing, I personally choose the Federation.
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB
>>>> does igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB
>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the
>>>> political battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost
>>>> spectacularly. Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB
>>>> of
>>>> Oregon tends to minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually
>>>> minds
>>>>
>>>> their own business.
>>>> Kendra
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is a very good question. In my experience, the NFB is more
>>>>> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
>>>>> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably
>>>>> together,
>>>>>
>>>>> but am not sure if this is true in all states. In our state of Idaho,
>>>>> the NFB is predominant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw
>>>>> independent
>>>>>
>>>>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.
>>>>> When
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I
>>>>> realized
>>>>> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to
>>>>> the
>>>>> organization in any way I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo"
>>>>> <happychikao at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>>>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>>>>> Optacon.
>>>>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV. I
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille. which option I choose for the
>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>> depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs,
>>>>>>>> filling out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>>> relationships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> vision. I think there needs to be balance, options and the best
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better. Reading a
>>>>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the
>>>>>>>> CCTV.
>>>>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS. And when I do
>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it. I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those
>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> blindtlk:
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/jtj1%40cableone.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> blindtlk:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>>>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>>>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>>>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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