[Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For The Blind?

[Judy Jones]

Hi,

I agree that you can get a sense of someone watching you, but, as others 
have stated, it's been when they're in close proximity, i.e. with in a few 
yards at max.  I still attribute that to observing people's body language.

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid,World Access For The 
Blind?


> Well, speaking from my own personal experience, I can too tell.  I suspect 
> that others can as well.  Whether all can, I am uncertain:  nevertheless, 
> I think it an interesting question.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 4:04 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Ray:
>>
>> I'd say, with all due respect, that your explanation below is an 
>> explanation
>> looking for a phenomenon. Do we *really* know that we can tell when
>> someone's looking at us? Has there been a double-blind study (in the
>> medicinal trial sense) wherein participants also were blind-folded with 
>> at
>> least ten thousand participants so that the statistical observations have 
>> at
>> least a small chance of being valid? I doubt it. And can blind persons
>> *really* tell when someone's looking at them from across a room with lots 
>> of
>> intervening sound and people? I rather doubt it. I think what we *think* 
>> is
>> being able to tell is merely observing the body and other reactions of 
>> those
>> whom we perceive to be looking at us.
>>
>> This is your terminal skeptic speaking here.! (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
>> Foret
>> Jr
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:51 AM
>> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For
>> The Blind?
>>
>> Here's another thought.  I wish someone would come up with a good
>> explanation for this.  We all know it's true.  You know how you can feel
>> someone's eyes on you-and therefore-you know they're watching you and 
>> when
>> they're not?  It's something we all know is a fact:  and yet, nobody 
>> seems
>> to have bothered to try to work out just exactly what is actually going 
>> on.
>> Is it the eyes of the watcher that  cause this?  Could it possibly be the
>> way in which a person's seeing eyes reflect off what they're f:  sort of
>> like radar so that what we feel is actually the way light bends or 
>> bounces
>> back off us?  I sort of have a notion that's what's going on.  When a
>> sighted person looks at you, their eyes put out a kind of what you might
>> call light detection thingy:  maybe the retina and the way it causes 
>> focus
>> has something to do with this:  And, this causes the light around the 
>> person
>> being looked at to bend in to the shape of that person, I guess maybe 
>> that's
>> what makes the shadow.  Anyhow
>> , the now bent light bounces back to the seer's eyes and that is how they
>> can see us.  The byproduct of that focused light reflection is felt by us 
>> in
>> the way that the light refraction around us changes.  Well, anyhow, 
>> that's
>> my notion:  And, it seems to me that if somebody really worked out how 
>> this
>> actually happens, might we not   develop ways in which this finaminan 
>> could
>> be useful?  and, after all, who better to learn how to take advantage of 
>> and
>> learn to use it them the blind ourselves.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know nothing about this organization, but I credit most of my ability 
>>> to
>>> get around to using echolocation and a cane.  It is a tremendous asset 
>>> to
>>> have.  There is an interesting book you might want to read called see 
>>> what
>>> I'm saying and it is available through the national library service.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wogg 
>>> le4
>>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:43 AM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: blind-international-students-request at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For 
>>> The
>>> Blind?
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I have read some material on this online and wondered if people could 
>>> give
>>> me:
>>>
>>> 1. Information on this organization?
>>> 2. Have you done this training? Was it effective? If so, how?
>>> Especially interested in the views of adults.
>>> 3. Practicalities, costs etc.
>>>
>>> I really would appreciate your views or if you yourself don't know
>>> suggestions what other lists I could ask this on.
>>> Thanks
>>>
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