[Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For The Blind?

Wed Jan 2 02:28:25 UTC 2013

It could also be a subconscious thing of being aware of our own blindness
and some of the things that we do as blind persons that may draw attention
to others.  Take for instance, eating, using a Braille device, using a
guide, using a white cane...people see these things as being *unique* and
will stop to look, and if we are subconsciously aware of this, we may indeed
feel like someone is watching...and they probably are.  The other thing that
it could be is just good old paranoia!

Steve

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane
Graves
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For
The Blind?

I would say that a feeling that someone is looking at you is more of an
intuitive thing as well. I'm not sure that there is anything scientific to
it. It is just like anything else that everyone, both blind and sighted,
sometimes has a sixth sense or a feeling about. I do, sometimes get these
feelings, but again, don't think there is anything scientific about it, and
I have to be in close proximity to the person.

Of course, I never really developed a dependence or reliance on echolocation
either. This may, at least in part, be due to my hearing deficit.

Diane Graves

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelby
Carlson
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For
The Blind?

I've got to voice a little skepticism here also.  I can certainly tell if
someone's looking at me if we're in close proximity and having a
conversation; and occasionally I'll be able to hear someone's body between
me and another object (a feature of
echolocation.) But without other clues, I don't think I (or most blind
people I know) can purely tell if someone is looking at us.

Kelby

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 31 Dec
2012 14:04:54 -0800
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid,World Access For The
Blind?

Ray:

I'd say, with all due respect, that your explanation below is an explanation
looking for a phenomenon.  Do we *really* know that we can tell when
someone's looking at us? Has there been a double-blind study (in the
medicinal trial sense) wherein participants also were blind-folded with at
least ten thousand participants so that the statistical observations have at
least a small chance of being valid? I doubt it.  And can blind persons
*really* tell when someone's looking at them from across a room with lots of
intervening sound and people? I rather doubt it.  I think what we
*think* is
being able to tell is merely observing the body and other reactions of those
whom we perceive to be looking at us.

This is your terminal skeptic speaking here.! (grin)

Mike

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For
The Blind?

Here's another thought.  I wish someone would come up with a good
explanation for this.  We all know it's true.  You know how you can feel
someone's eyes on you-and therefore-you know they're watching you and when
they're not?  It's something we all know is a fact:  and yet, nobody seems
to have bothered to try to work out just exactly what is actually going on.
Is it the eyes of the watcher that  cause this?  Could it possibly be the
way in which a person's seeing eyes reflect off what they're f:  
sort of
like radar so that what we feel is actually the way light bends or bounces
back off us?  I sort of have a notion that's what's going on.  
When a
sighted person looks at you, their eyes put out a kind of what you might
call light detection thingy:  maybe the retina and the way it causes focus
has something to do with this:  And, this causes the light around the person
being looked at to bend in to the shape of that person, I guess maybe that's
what makes the shadow.  Anyhow  , the now bent light bounces back to the
seer's eyes and that is how they can see us.  The byproduct of that focused
light reflection is felt by us in the way that the light refraction around
us changes.  Well, anyhow, that's my notion:  And, it seems to me that if
somebody really worked out how this
actually happens, might we not   develop ways in which this 
finaminan could
be useful?  and, after all, who better to learn how to take advantage of and
learn to use it them the blind ourselves.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "Gary Wunder" 
<gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:

 I know nothing about this organization, but I credit most of my ability to
get around to using echolocation and a cane.  It is a tremendous asset to
have.  There is an interesting book you might want to read called see what
I'm saying and it is available through the national library service.

 Gary

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 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:43 AM
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 Cc: blind-international-students-request at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For The
Blind?

 Hi all

 I have read some material on this online and wondered if people could give
 me:

 1.  Information on this organization?
 2.  Have you done this training? Was it effective? If so, how?
 Especially interested in the views of adults.
 3.  Practicalities, costs etc.

 I really would appreciate your views or if you yourself don't know
suggestions what other lists I could ask this on.
 Thanks

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