[Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School

Thu Mar 21 17:34:30 UTC 2013

Seriously, what is the big deal? Perhaps I haven't been a guide 
dog user long enough, but I see no problem (and actually some 
advantage) in at least a period of ownership retension.  This is 
as much practical as it is "paternalistic".  And do you seriously 
want blind people to picket guide dog schools over this? That 
will certainly help the NFB's image among the blind community.

Kelby

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
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Date sent: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0500
Subject: [Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School

Hello Cheryl and everyone,

    I've discussed this with Marion privately and suggested that 
an item
concerning the creation of an NFB-run guide dog program be put on 
the NAGDU
agenda to no avail.  I was at last year's NAGDU Meeting and was 
very
disgusted with the reaction of the audience when Marion addressed 
the group
concerning the continued practice of ownership retention by guide 
dog
programs.  Few if anyone applauded his remarks and there was 
hardly any call
for a more aggressive response to ending this practice.  If 
things have
changed when I see picket lines go up in front of the grounds of 
guide dog
schools that still retain ownership of the dogs it places with 
its blind
students than I'll know there is a new spirit of concerted action 
within
NAGDU.  I'll be watching the Braille Monitor for this year's 
NAGDU Agenda to
see what new item will be included or if it's going to be the
same-old-same-old!

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup

The only way any of this is going to happen is to come to 
national
convention and come to the NAGDU meeting and work on it together.  
We are an
organization, and we should all work together, and if that 
doesn't work then
you get the people in that division that will do it.

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 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com
 To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:04:07 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup

 No, pamper the dogs.  They work hard and they deserve it.  I 
like the
 other
 stuff you said though.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Julie J.
 Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:08 AM
 To: Blind Talk Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup

 I think the answer to protecting the dogs is two fold.  First I 
would
 like to see a more in depth background investigation of the 
blind
 applicant.  Do a criminal background check, require more 
references, ask
 the neighbors...whatever it takes.  Adoption agencies place 
children
 into homes surely we can figure out a way to more accurately 
know what
 sort of situation the dog will be placed into.  Secondly, I 
think there
 are already agencies in place for dealing with animal abuse, the 
police
 and animal control.  I don't see any reason why these agencies 
can't be
 used in cases of neglect or abuse.

 In regard to cost and the blind applicant absorbing the cost of 
the dog
 in order to own the dog outright is an extremely valid point.  
We have
 to stop expecting everything for nothing.  I like the Seeing 
Eye's
 concept of charging the student.  I do wish that the cost had 
increased
 over the years with the cost of living.  It has been $150 since 
the
 beginning of the school in 1928.  I think that's the right year.  
$150
 was a very different sum of money then and now.

 I also think that guide dogs can be raised and trained for 
substantially
 lower sums of money than $60,000.  If you look at the various 
guide dog
 programs and how much each claims it costs to train a dog, the 
numbers
 vary widely.  All those buildings, fancy food, excessive 
equipment and
 other niceties cost money.

 Julie

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