[Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School
Kelby Carlson
kelbycarlson at gmail.com
Fri Mar 22 13:16:11 UTC 2013
Thanks, Marion! I think I understand where you're coming from.
What about schools like GDB who retain ownership for a limited
time in case of a bad match or problems with the handler/dog, but
cede ownership after a year? Due to the large amount of time and
money invested in the dogs by a lot of people, this seems like a
reasonable solution. I totally understand your concerns over
inappropriate behavior from the schools and do not want to
condone such a thing. But I'm also not sure we can reduce
retension policies to mere paternalism in all cases.
Kelby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:09:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School
Kelby,
I appreciate your input and asking the question. The
challenge is that,
without ownership, we have few rights to protect ourselves. AS
NAGDU
president, I have witnessed some very despicable behavior from
training
programs that do not transfer ownership upon completion of
training.
Furthermore, failure to transfer ownership sends a message that
blind people
are not capable of caring for and making decisions about their
dogs. There
are community provisions already in place that protect the
interests of the
training programs and the dogs, so retention of ownership is
nothing more
than paternalism at its worst.
Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelby Carlson" <kelbycarlson at gmail.com
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School
Seriously, what is the big deal? Perhaps I haven't been a guide
dog user
long enough, but I see no problem (and actually some advantage)
in at
least a period of ownership retension. This is as much
practical as it is
"paternalistic". And do you seriously want blind people to
picket guide
dog schools over this? That will certainly help the NFB's image
among the
blind community.
Kelby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:29:09 -0500
Subject: [Blindtlk] NFB Guide Dog School
Hello Cheryl and everyone,
I've discussed this with Marion privately and suggested that
an item
concerning the creation of an NFB-run guide dog program be put
on the
NAGDU
agenda to no avail. I was at last year's NAGDU Meeting and was
very
disgusted with the reaction of the audience when Marion
addressed the
group
concerning the continued practice of ownership retention by
guide dog
programs. Few if anyone applauded his remarks and there was
hardly any
call
for a more aggressive response to ending this practice. If
things have
changed when I see picket lines go up in front of the grounds of
guide dog
schools that still retain ownership of the dogs it places with
its blind
students than I'll know there is a new spirit of concerted
action within
NAGDU. I'll be watching the Braille Monitor for this year's
NAGDU Agenda
to
see what new item will be included or if it's going to be the
same-old-same-old!
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup
The only way any of this is going to happen is to come to
national
convention and come to the NAGDU meeting and work on it
together. We are
an
organization, and we should all work together, and if that
doesn't work
then
you get the people in that division that will do it.
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From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:04:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup
No, pamper the dogs. They work hard and they deserve it. I
like the
other
stuff you said though.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Julie J.
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:08 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Canes and Dogs, the In-House Checkup
I think the answer to protecting the dogs is two fold. First I
would
like to see a more in depth background investigation of the
blind
applicant. Do a criminal background check, require more
references, ask
the neighbors...whatever it takes. Adoption agencies place
children
into homes surely we can figure out a way to more accurately
know what
sort of situation the dog will be placed into. Secondly, I
think there
are already agencies in place for dealing with animal abuse, the
police
and animal control. I don't see any reason why these agencies
can't be
used in cases of neglect or abuse.
In regard to cost and the blind applicant absorbing the cost of
the dog
in order to own the dog outright is an extremely valid point.
We have
to stop expecting everything for nothing. I like the Seeing
Eye's
concept of charging the student. I do wish that the cost had
increased
over the years with the cost of living. It has been $150 since
the
beginning of the school in 1928. I think that's the right year.
$150
was a very different sum of money then and now.
I also think that guide dogs can be raised and trained for
substantially
lower sums of money than $60,000. If you look at the various
guide dog
programs and how much each claims it costs to train a dog, the
numbers
vary widely. All those buildings, fancy food, excessive
equipment and
other niceties cost money.
Julie
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