[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Sat Mar 23 13:42:31 UTC 2013

He was being sarcastic. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:21 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Correct answer? What correct answer? And who determines which answers
are correct?

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> hi,
>
> that's not the correct answer.
> you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish to have
vision restored.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
<justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>
>
>> What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want to be
able
>> to see if possible.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Wolfe
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>> Bryan,
>>
>>
>>   What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't understand the
>> connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the end
result
>> of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on online
forums
>> and all.
>>
>> On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
>>> you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of swear
>>> words instead of mentioning medical research.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job
>>>> security with the federal government for disabled workers. I truly
>>>> wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't know
>>>> nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling myself
>>>> with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within five or
>>>> more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a field in
>>>> the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences cause there is
>>>> no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions not facts as
>>>> much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of normal students
>>>> cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like it. Lastly, I'm
>>>> not the best communicater just that I have a passion for counseling
>>>> and for the time being that would be nice to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the
>>>> government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college or
>>>> something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial advisor at
>>>> my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not finance
>>>> at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery shelter,
>>>> child abuse victims or financial management. I'd appreciate any ideas
>>>> cause not sure of a general scope of what to do. Thanks for pointing
>>>> out the obvious cause that is causing barriers in how to think aboutt
>>>> professional life post-college. By the way, wish that more blind
>>>> people would do more internships in their sophomore, junior and
>>>> senior years cause this more than academics helps more than academics
by
>> far.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then
>>>>> figure out how a blind guy can do it.  You are approaching it from
>>>>> -- what  job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a
>>>>> blind guy.  If you get something you probably won't be happy because
>>>>> it wasn't what you want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>> Ray and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The problem
>>>>>> Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a
>>>>>> bachelors of arts in political science with the federal government.
>>>>>> sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I can
>>>>>> do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the NFB
>>>>>> subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and talked
>>>>>> to political scientists who are blind just not at my level of under
>>>>>> graduate experience. Some are either devoid of under graduate
>>>>>> experience with graduate work experience or just of another time or
>>>>>> place or finally transfered to other skill sets entirely into my
>>>>>> field. I guess this work experience could shine some light on what I
>>>>>> could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at this point. Any
>>>>>> ideas from you guys would be really cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ray and all,
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple just
>>>>>> for work its pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other
>>>>>> > people have said, you can think it to death and never really find
>>>>>> > a
>>>>>> solution.  Here's my
>>>>>> > advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or need
>>>>>> to do.  You
>>>>>> > will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now, once you have
>>>>>> > that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.  For some,
>>>>>> > it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still
>>>>>> > others, neither will
>>>>>> do.  You will
>>>>>> > never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all laid
>>>>>> > out for you in one place.  At least, I don't think so.  Forget
>>>>>> > being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna happen.  So, take the
>>>>>> > advice I gave
>>>>>> you to start
>>>>>> > with above and see where that takes you.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
>>>>>> > the blind built-in!
>>>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my
>>>>>> >> existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary
>>>>>> >> for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws
>>>>>> >> instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former screen
>>>>>> >> reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of adaquate
>>>>>> >> detail examples to professions with endorsements or whatever for
>>>>>> >> proper context. I know that Internal Revenue Service or Social
>>>>>> >> Security like the Department of Defense use the CAP office that
>>>>>> >> usually recommends Jaws screen reader so logic says to go with
>>>>>> >> it instead of existing technology.
>>>>>> >> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
>>>>>> >> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
>>>>>> >> focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
>>>>>> >> recommend in this situation?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just
>>>>>> >> that I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I
>>>>>> >> swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is that too
>>>>>> >> much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do not what
>>>>>> >> can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or tutorial on all
>>>>>> >> the things sighted individuals can do and what we can't being
>>>>>> >> blind. Simple as a former sighted person that I'd appreciate
>>>>>> >> this view much more than this muddy waters approach that just
>>>>>> >> confuses the daylights out of everything for me.
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind
>>>>>> >> folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in
>>>>>> >> programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do anything.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm
>>>>>> >> thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to
>>>>>> >> quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your
>>>>>> >> approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my
>>>>>> >> fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people like me
>>>>>> >> are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a three
>>>>>> >> month job in a few months in town for temporary work experience
>>>>>> >> so just want a job. I just don't know how best to go about it
>>>>>> >> that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my patience is
>>>>>> >> much more thinner in this technical jargon or way of thinking
>>>>>> >> than you are accustomed to being blind your whole life or
>>>>>> >> whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming from
>>>>>> >> my prospective on this subject.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>>>> >> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>>>> "Stand up for your rights"
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>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> cum laude Auburn University
>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>> Peter Q Wolfe
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