[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 22 14:35:51 UTC 2013 

That'r right.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Freeman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:43 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

He was being sarcastic. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:21 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Correct answer? What correct answer? And who determines which answers are
correct?

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> hi,
>
> that's not the correct answer.
> you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish to 
> have
vision restored.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
<justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>
>
>> What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want to be
able
>> to see if possible.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Peter
Wolfe
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>> Bryan,
>>
>>
>>   What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't understand 
>> the connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the 
>> end
result
>> of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on online
forums
>> and all.
>>
>> On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
>>> you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of swear 
>>> words instead of mentioning medical research.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job 
>>>> security with the federal government for disabled workers. I truly 
>>>> wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't know 
>>>> nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling myself 
>>>> with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within five 
>>>> or more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a 
>>>> field in the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences 
>>>> cause there is no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions 
>>>> not facts as much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of 
>>>> normal students cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like 
>>>> it. Lastly, I'm not the best communicater just that I have a 
>>>> passion for counseling and for the time being that would be nice to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the 
>>>> government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college or 
>>>> something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial advisor 
>>>> at my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not 
>>>> finance at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery 
>>>> shelter, child abuse victims or financial management. I'd 
>>>> appreciate any ideas cause not sure of a general scope of what to 
>>>> do. Thanks for pointing out the obvious cause that is causing 
>>>> barriers in how to think aboutt professional life post-college. By 
>>>> the way, wish that more blind people would do more internships in 
>>>> their sophomore, junior and senior years cause this more than 
>>>> academics helps more than academics
by
>> far.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then 
>>>>> figure out how a blind guy can do it.  You are approaching it from
>>>>> -- what  job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a 
>>>>> blind guy.  If you get something you probably won't be happy 
>>>>> because it wasn't what you want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>> Ray and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The 
>>>>>> problem Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing 
>>>>>> with a bachelors of arts in political science with the federal
government.
>>>>>> sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I 
>>>>>> can do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to 
>>>>>> the NFB subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect 
>>>>>> and talked to political scientists who are blind just not at my 
>>>>>> level of under graduate experience. Some are either devoid of 
>>>>>> under graduate experience with graduate work experience or just 
>>>>>> of another time or place or finally transfered to other skill 
>>>>>> sets entirely into my field. I guess this work experience could 
>>>>>> shine some light on what I could do with my degree just seems 
>>>>>> kind of bleak at this point. Any ideas from you guys would be really
cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ray and all,
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple 
>>>>>> just for work its pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other 
>>>>>> > people have said, you can think it to death and never really 
>>>>>> > find a
>>>>>> solution.  Here's my
>>>>>> > advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or 
>>>>>> > need
>>>>>> to do.  You
>>>>>> > will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now, once you have 
>>>>>> > that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.  For some, 
>>>>>> > it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still 
>>>>>> > others, neither will
>>>>>> do.  You will
>>>>>> > never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all 
>>>>>> > laid out for you in one place.  At least, I don't think so.  
>>>>>> > Forget being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna happen.  So, 
>>>>>> > take the advice I gave
>>>>>> you to start
>>>>>> > with above and see where that takes you.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for 
>>>>>> > the blind built-in!
>>>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my 
>>>>>> >> existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary 
>>>>>> >> for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. 
>>>>>> >> Jaws instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former 
>>>>>> >> screen reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of 
>>>>>> >> adaquate detail examples to professions with endorsements or 
>>>>>> >> whatever for proper context. I know that Internal Revenue 
>>>>>> >> Service or Social Security like the Department of Defense use 
>>>>>> >> the CAP office that usually recommends Jaws screen reader so 
>>>>>> >> logic says to go with it instead of existing technology.
>>>>>> >> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their 
>>>>>> >> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, 
>>>>>> >> then focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would 
>>>>>> >> you recommend in this situation?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation 
>>>>>> >> just that I've been dealing with this for years on this 
>>>>>> >> problem. I swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is 
>>>>>> >> that too much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do 
>>>>>> >> not what can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or 
>>>>>> >> tutorial on all the things sighted individuals can do and what 
>>>>>> >> we can't being blind. Simple as a former sighted person that 
>>>>>> >> I'd appreciate this view much more than this muddy waters 
>>>>>> >> approach that just confuses the daylights out of everything for
me.
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind 
>>>>>> >> folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in 
>>>>>> >> programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do anything.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>    Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm 
>>>>>> >> thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to 
>>>>>> >> quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your 
>>>>>> >> approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on 
>>>>>> >> my fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people 
>>>>>> >> like me are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a 
>>>>>> >> three month job in a few months in town for temporary work 
>>>>>> >> experience so just want a job. I just don't know how best to 
>>>>>> >> go about it that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my 
>>>>>> >> patience is much more thinner in this technical jargon or way 
>>>>>> >> of thinking than you are accustomed to being blind your whole 
>>>>>> >> life or whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and 
>>>>>> >> coming from my prospective on this subject.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>>>> >> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>>>> "Stand up for your rights"
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>> Cordially,
>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> cum laude Auburn University
>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>> Peter Q Wolfe
>> "Stand up for your rights"
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