[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
Kelby Carlson
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Sat Mar 23 22:12:28 UTC 2013
Sorry about the misattribution of that argument. This is a long
thread, and it's hard to find who said what.
Kelby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
My recollection of the questions you have been asked when
suggesting we have
a doctor on the agenda is what you would like that Dr. to say.
Most doctors
I have seen who appear on Federation convention agendas tell us
about
macular degeneration, retinopathy of prematurity, and glaucoma.
Now here
you are, and audience filled with people who have these
conditions, and the
only thing that is really relevant to us is how to reverse these
conditions
or come up with some substitute for vision. We are not the
society fighting
blindness; we are people who, in large part, are blind and are
likely to be
so for the rest of our lives. If I suffer from pneumonia, I am
not nearly
as interested in the biology of the disease as I am how to rid
myself of it
or keep from getting it again.
The Ronald McDonald House does not look for cures to disease;
it's narrowly
focused goal is to help the families of those who are undergoing
treatment
by giving those families a place to stay. This does not mean
that
McDonald's is an interested when it comes to the prevention of
blindness,
cancer, multiple sclerosis, or a whole host of other problems.
It simply
means that the Ronald McDonald project focuses on one specific
area and
tries to make a difference in the lives of the people it has
decided to
help. I think this is what we do.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bryan
Schulz
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:22 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
hi,
not completely, that is the response i have received in general
terms when i
have suggested having a doctor or someone with a medical
background have
some time on a convention agenda.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
He was being sarcastic.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
christopher
nusbaum
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:21 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
Correct answer? What correct answer? And who determines which
answers
are correct?
Chris Nusbaum
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Bryan Schulz
<b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
hi,
that's not the correct answer.
you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish
to have
vision restored.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
<justin.williams2 at gmail.com
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want
to be
able
to see if possible.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Peter
Wolfe
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
Bryan,
What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't
understand
the
connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the
end
result
of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on
online
forums
and all.
On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
hi,
oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of
swear
words instead of mentioning medical research.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
David,
The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job
security with the federal government for disabled workers. I
truly
wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't
know
nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling
myself
with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within
five or
more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a
field in
the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences cause
there is
no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions not facts
as
much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of normal
students
cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like it. Lastly,
I'm
not the best communicater just that I have a passion for
counseling
and for the time being that would be nice to do.
Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the
government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college
or
something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial
advisor at
my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not
finance
at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery
shelter,
child abuse victims or financial management. I'd appreciate any
ideas
cause not sure of a general scope of what to do. Thanks for
pointing
out the obvious cause that is causing barriers in how to think
aboutt
professional life post-college. By the way, wish that more
blind
people would do more internships in their sophomore, junior and
senior years cause this more than academics helps more than
academics
by
far.
Thanks,
Peter
On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then
figure out how a blind guy can do it. You are approaching it
from
-- what job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a
blind guy. If you get something you probably won't be happy
because
it wasn't what you want to do.
Dave
At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
Ray and others,
Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The
problem
Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a
bachelors of arts in political science with the federal
government.
sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I
can
do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the
NFB
subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and
talked
to political scientists who are blind just not at my level of
under
graduate experience. Some are either devoid of under graduate
experience with graduate work experience or just of another time
or
place or finally transfered to other skill sets entirely into my
field. I guess this work experience could shine some light on
what I
could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at this point.
Any
ideas from you guys would be really cool!
Thanks Ray and all,
Peter
p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple
just
for work its pc
On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
You are way over thinking the issue here. Like Dave and other
people have said, you can think it to death and never really
find
a
solution. Here's my
advice. Stop it. then, ask yourself what you most want or need
to do. You
will find this narrows it down pretty fast. Now, once you have
that, find out what tools will best meet your needs. For some,
it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac. For still
others, neither will
do. You will
never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all
laid
out for you in one place. At least, I don't think so. Forget
being spoon-fed everything. It ain't gonna happen. So, take
the
advice I gave
you to start
with above and see where that takes you.
Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
the blind built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com
wrote:
Dear NFB Talk Members,
Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my
existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary
for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws
instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former screen
reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of adaquate
detail examples to professions with endorsements or whatever for
proper context. I know that Internal Revenue Service or Social
Security like the Department of Defense use the CAP office that
usually recommends Jaws screen reader so logic says to go with
it instead of existing technology.
Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
recommend in this situation?
I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just
that I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I
swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is that too
much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do not what
can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or tutorial on all
the things sighted individuals can do and what we can't being
blind. Simple as a former sighted person that I'd appreciate
this view much more than this muddy waters approach that just
confuses the daylights out of everything for me.
I
also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind
folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in
programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do
anything.
Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm
thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to
quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your
approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my
fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people like me
are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a three
month job in a few months in town for temporary work experience
so just want a job. I just don't know how best to go about it
that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my patience is
much more thinner in this technical jargon or way of thinking
than you are accustomed to being blind your whole life or
whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming
from
my prospective on this subject.
Thank you,
Peter Q wolfe, BA
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