[Blindtlk] Professions on list?

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 25 10:25:16 UTC 2013 

So sorry I have not answered Peter's and other questions, being that I am away for the Passover holiday at my mom's I am not on the computer that much, I also will not be on much at all today because Passover begins after sundown, whether you celebrate Passover or Easter or nothing. Happy Holidays.
Second, I agree with the statement that Marion Gwizdala has said about sterotyping each other.
We have many people in our organization including a former New York State Governor, who was born blind, and is a member of the NFB since leaving office, David Paterson.
There has also been blind doctors in the past, not sure of that now, but we honor at Dr. at our National Convention every year with Dr. Jacob Bolotin, who was blind. The information is  below.
Second, how did I learn these skills and what made me going into these fields.
Well, I had already gone to college right after high school again at that time not being blind. I definitely think blind people should shoot for higher  education or anyone for that matter, we do get assistance not only in loans, but from our Vocation Rehabilitation Services.  NFB or not.
My thing was that I get back to work, I just had to get trained on using the right equipment, I taught myself some braille on the side from Hadley as well, being that I am a diabetic (again, that is how I lost my vision in 2001) and was on dialysis from 2002-2005, had kidney transplant, it will be 8 years this year, that I have survived that. I have a lot of nerve damage in my fingers that it hurts to read braille.
I also have the background in working in the Medical Insurance field, learned alot about my medical condition etc when I was sick, and not have the doctors talk down to me.  I decided to go into the medical insurance field, as a medical biller, I still do some work for a local doctor here in Brentwood, where I live.
But when I wound up leaving my job because of the way they were treating me, and I went after my former employer legally because of it. I took a step back and look and thought what do I want to do with the rest of my life, I was only 41 years old at the time. What now I said.
I listen to what is out there, I heard the way travel professionals spoke to me when I wanted to go on vacations and them telling well, you cannot bring your guide dog here or why do you want to go there because you are blind, oh you cannot do anything at Walt Disney World, I am not insured if something happens to you.
Well being an NFB member I would turn around and give it back to them, but I thought to myself, I love to travel, I know more about traveling then some of these travel professionals, I also wanted to own my own business.
I made the right move on that one. There are a few articles written about me that I am very proud of, but I always mention the NFB in them, without my NFB family with the love and support, who knows.
Yes and a Rah Rah about the NFB, you are darn tooting I am, but am I going to force anything on to someone that isn't nope.
If you want to discuss this more off list anyone that is fine. But please read below about Dr. Bolotin, who was blind.  If he did this in the early part of the twentieth century. There is no reason why there cannot be them today.
Here is a little bit from the Braille Monitor, plus there is a book about him the Blind Doctor.
Dr. Jacob Bolotin was a blind physician who lived and practiced in Chicago in the early part of the twentieth century. As chronicled in his biography, The Blind Doctor by Rosalind Perlman, Bolotin fought ignorance and prejudice to gain entrance to medical school and the medical profession. He became one of the most respected physicians in Chicago during his career, which spanned the period from 1912 until his death in 1924. He was particularly known for his expertise in diseases of the heart and lungs. Bolotin used his many public speaking engagements to advocate for the employment of the blind and their full integration into society. Interested in young people in general and blind youth in particular, Dr. Bolotin established the first Boy Scout troop consisting entirely of blind boys and served as its leader.
The National Federation of the Blind is once again pleased to announce our acceptance of nominations for the Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards. The cash awards have been issued at the annual convention of the National Federation of the Blind for two years running, and the winners and their acceptance are described in the August-September issue of the Monitor each year. The Bolotin Award is a way to recognize individuals and organizations working in the blindness field that have made outstanding contributions toward achieving the full integration of blind people into society on a basis of equality. Named for a pioneering blind physician who practiced in the early twentieth century, these awards are made possible through the generosity of his late nephew and niece. Their bequest, the Alfred and Rosalind Perlman Trust, will allow the National Federation of the Blind to provide direct financial support to people and organizations that are improving the lives of the blind throughout the United States.
For more to read:
History of Dr. Bolotin:
https://nfb.org/history-bolotin

Dr. Bolotin Award:https://nfb.org/bolotin-who-should-apply






Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible Travel Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012 Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST - #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National Federation of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.


> From: blind411 at verizon.net
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:44:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> 
> Peter,
>     I think that using the word "oddity" to describe the accomplishments of 
> blind people who have unusual vocations demonstrates a stereotype that blind 
> people are inherently relegated to specific occupations and those who break 
> the stereotype are odd. You mentioned, for instance, "a medical doctor in 
> the ACB" who, it seems, only accomplished this because he was sighted when 
> he received his medical degree. How, then, do you explain the medical doctor 
> in the NFB who has been blind all his life? Just because one believes a 
> blind person cannot do some thing or another does not mean this belief is 
> fact and, by doing so, that person is odd! This person, in my opinion, is a 
> trailblazer and other blind people are encouraged to break the stereotypes 
> that bind us to misconceptions of what is possible.
>     For a very long time, people believed that breaking the 4-minute mile 
> mark was impossible and, though many came close, this belief kept people 
> from accomplishing this task. Once the 4-minute mile barrier was broken, 
> there came the realization that this was possible and people have broken 
> that mark time and time again. The adage of my private practice is  Henry 
> Ford's quotation"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're 
> right!"
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> 
> 
> > Mike,
> >
> >
> >    Thanks for your e-mail even if it assumes things that I don't
> > believe in or have stated! Much of what you said that I covered in my
> > questions e-mail! Anyways, I do appreciate the sincere effort and have
> > heard of oddities of feats of some blind people that can have multiple
> > reasons not just one reason like having vision prior like a medical
> > doctor in ACB in Houston, Texas just a small example with former sight
> > or whatever.
> >
> >
> >    What type of computer programming do you do Mike or have done in
> > your past jobs? I'm curious cause this is something that is a hobby of
> > mine and something that I've become rusty in as well. My thing is that
> > I don't know nemeth code and was openly discouraged by the Principle
> > of American School for the Blind and was openly referred to get my GED
> > not my high school diploma because of that conversation that we had. I
> > also wonder with shifting software that has it become easier in your
> > jobs or harder to keep up especially with unfamilar technology
> > unaccessible to the blind? I wonder how flexible the employers whether
> > private or public have been in such scenarios?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
> >
> > On 3/24/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> sometimes you have to do your own research as well.
> >> i found info about a whole plant of blind guys performing cnc machine 
> >> work
> >> producing parts for Boeing but never heard of those guys in 20 years 
> >> because
> >>
> >> they aren't associated with the nfb or blue collar isn't deemed as 
> >> popular
> >> or important than white collar jobs.
> >>
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Peter:
> >>>
> >>> Before proceeding, I'll tell you that I *do* worry about the economy and
> >>> out-sourcing although that last trend is abating as foreign labor 
> >>> becomes
> >>> more expensive and makes employment here in the U.S. attractive again. I
> >>> worry what will happen to people who heretofore had skilled jobs that
> >>> might
> >>> not have required a college degree but now do. And I worry especially
> >>> about
> >>> what will happen to unskilled and semi-skilled jobs in an economy that
> >>> requires more and more high-tech skills. But these are generalized
> >>> worries
> >>> and apply to blind and sighted alike.
> >>>
> >>> Now then: it is the contention of Federationists in general that your
> >>> asking
> >>> the questions ass-backward. You ask: what can the blind do and within 
> >>> the
> >>> jobs available by this answer, what might I be interested in. Most of us
> >>> contend -- and it was and is the model on which NFB training centers and
> >>> those who follow their precepts believe in -- that, like everyone else,
> >>> you
> >>> should instead be asking: what do I want to do with my life? What
> >>> interests
> >>> me? And *then* you ask not whether but, rather, *how* you would do
> >>> whatever
> >>> it is as a blind person. The answer may, indeed, at the moment be that
> >>> you
> >>> will not be able to do exactly what you want. For example, you might not
> >>> be
> >>> able to be a long-haul truck-driver. But this may not always be the case
> >>> and
> >>> in the meantime, you *could* operate a trucking company (I knew a blind
> >>> man
> >>> who did just that). Incidentally, I've known people who were
> >>> electricians,
> >>> software engineers or computer programmers who all were blind. I met a
> >>> blind
> >>> plumber once who did his own pipe soldering (how, I do not know). I met 
> >>> a
> >>> guy at a Federation convention who had a hum-drum civil service day job
> >>> but
> >>> as a hobby was a SCUBA enthusiast. His local police department employed
> >>> him
> >>> to search underwater for cars and bodies that had suffered the 
> >>> misfortune
> >>>
> >>> of
> >>> landing in nearby rivers and lakes. It didn't matter to *him* that the
> >>> water
> >>> was mirky and he couldn't see six inches in front of his face -- he
> >>> couldn't
> >>> anyway! The kicker of all this was that he made more money with his 
> >>> hobby
> >>> doing that than he did at his day job. I've been kicking myself ever
> >>> since
> >>> that I didn't get the guy's name.
> >>>
> >>> Once you've decided what interests you, you get on lists such as this 
> >>> one
> >>> and ask how you could do whatever it is you want to do as a blind 
> >>> person.
> >>>
> >>> Or
> >>> you could write to Dr. Maurer and ask. Every once-in-a-while, Federation
> >>> officers and rank-and-file members are asked to contact and/or mentor
> >>> someone who wants to do something but doesn't know how as a blind person
> >>> and
> >>> it is known that someone in the Federation does that very thing. The
> >>> subjects of such inquiry can range from jobs to marching in a high 
> >>> school
> >>> marching band (some blind folks from Ohio were in the Rose Parade a 
> >>> while
> >>> back). Mrs. Maurer who had, herself, been in a marching band, answered
> >>> that
> >>> query.
> >>>
> >>> You could also get in contact with your state's agency rendering rehab
> >>> and/or other services to the blind. These range from abominable to
> >>> excellent. In any event, it is part of the mandate of these agencies to
> >>> provide to you or see to it that you are provided with the skills and
> >>> knowledge to do what you wish -- and *you* are in the driver's seat here
> >>> although it may take some convincing of bureaucrats to get them to
> >>> recognize
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> The keys here are a can-do attitude and flexibility.
> >>>
> >>> Does this always work? Of course not. But then job-seeking efforts of 
> >>> the
> >>> sighted don't work always, either. And there's no question but that 
> >>> there
> >>>
> >>> is
> >>> prejudice against the blind (not out of hatred, mostly, but out of
> >>> misguided
> >>> kindness). But we in the Federation seek to equip you with the tools and
> >>> attitudes you'll need to overcome this prejudice.
> >>>
> >>> I don't necessarily expect you to put much credence in this answer, at
> >>> least
> >>> at first, but there it is.
> >>>
> >>> Mike Freeman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> >>> Wolfe
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:41 AM
> >>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>
> >>> cheryl,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    I have a question for just like me weren't born blind but became
> >>> blind later in life. How did you know the right skills or technologies
> >>> to master in order to know which fields to go into being blind? This
> >>> is a question that I've puzzled on for a decade that i've found no
> >>> satisfactory answer for in my circumstance. At one time, I wanted to
> >>> be an electrician or software engineer or computer science cause of
> >>> loving to fiddle with things like my father who was a electrical
> >>> engineer for a utility company in my native Texas. However, my sights
> >>> are much lower with experience and discouragement of many
> >>> institutions, indvidiausl and even bios that I've read on NFB, AFB or
> >>> talking to fellow blind individuals that I gave up on those goals.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    I'd really appreciate any feedback to the above paragraphy even
> >>> criticism of it. It bleeds into my second and last question that I've
> >>> also been puzzled with too. Once you do decide your profession that we
> >>> all have problems with the skills and tools in our collective
> >>> professions at times right? How did you overcome or continue to
> >>> overcome against the odds with the changing nature of technology, the
> >>> economy and other adverrse situations? Yes, I know the general just
> >>> seems so hard for us or impossible in whole industries being
> >>> outsourced or done away in automation or whatever. I don't think its
> >>> an easy nor exactly fair question but worth throwing out there cause
> >>> its hard on everyone right now not just the blind. I try to keep this
> >>> prospective as I pursue employment that isn't that comforting as your
> >>> denied a job though. I don't mean any of my questions with any
> >>> disrespect at all just think lots of you come across as idealist or
> >>> naive on the state of the economy or of what blind people can do in
> >>> the real economy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On 3/24/13, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Good morning all:
> >>>> For someone who before losing her vision at 35, I was a college 
> >>>> graduate
> >>> of
> >>>> Culinary Arts and also Business.
> >>>> I didn't pursue the Culinary Arts part of the Profession, but it help 
> >>>> me
> >>>> learn the proper ways to cook and my family appreciates all the things 
> >>>> I
> >>>> made then and now then and restaurant could plus it did help with my
> >>>> cooking skills after losing my vision doing to smell touch taste,
> >>>> hearing
> >>>> when things boil, feeling the heat of the stove and steam, and also 
> >>>> good
> >>>> knife skills.
> >>>> The business part always helps in any profession.
> >>>> For 20+ years even in my late teens, I always worked in an office/sales
> >>>> enviroment to help with paying off school. Worked in the field until
> >>>> 2001
> >>> as
> >>>> an Administrative Assistant to the owner/president of a small sales
> >>> company
> >>>> here on Long Island for a number of years, until I had to leave due to
> >>>> medical issues that I eventually lost my vision.
> >>>> After that I and when I was able to do so and had gotten re-trained by
> >>>> the
> >>>> VR Centers here I became the 1st Blind person here on Long Island to be
> >>>> a
> >>>> graduate of one of our prestigage medical billing schools. I worked as 
> >>>> a
> >>>> medical biller for one of the large laboratory (Blood and other testing
> >>>> companies here on Long Island), and then I started my own business in
> >>> 2009,
> >>>> I am a Travel Agent, and as you can read by my signature here, have 
> >>>> been
> >>>> recognized by my state and Vocational Rehab organizations here in NY as
> >>> well
> >>>> as by Governor Cuomo.
> >>>> We can be anything we want, it is a matter of learning on how to do it.
> >>>> I also share what I dont in the travel industry for us all. I fight for
> >>> all
> >>>> of us, and educate those companies that don't.
> >>>> Cheryl
> >>>>
> >>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> >>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible Travel
> >>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
> >>>>
> >>> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatrave
> >>> l.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
> >>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> >>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> >>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National 
> >>>> Federation
> >>> of
> >>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> >>>> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any
> >>> vacation
> >>>> package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation
> >>>> must
> >>> be
> >>>> traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go 
> >>>> to
> >>> the
> >>>> affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for
> >>>> families
> >>>> and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the
> >>>> affiliate
> >>>> as well.  You do not need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book
> >>>> through
> >>>> us.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: blind411 at verizon.net
> >>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:11:56 -0400
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter,
> >>>>>     There is a wealth of information available on various professions
> >>>>> blind
> >>>>> people perform available through the NFB. As for me, I had a
> >>>>> challenging
> >>>>> time deciding what I wanted to be when I grew up and, since I have not
> >>> yet
> >>>>>
> >>>>> grown up, am still deciding! (grin) I have been a professional 
> >>>>> musician
> >>>>> since I was 16 years old. In my 20s I pursued a career in sales and
> >>>>> eventually found myself recruiting people to work overseas. After
> >>>>> saddam
> >>>>> Hussein invaded Kuwait, the bottom fell out of the overseas employment
> >>>>> market, so I went back to school, got a Bachelor's degree in 
> >>>>> Psychology
> >>>>> followed by a master of Science degree in Mental Health Counseling. I
> >>>>> am
> >>>>> currently in private practice as a Life coach and Hypnotherapist,
> >>>>> though
> >>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>> still perform regularly and serve Unity North Tampa as their Music
> >>>>> Director.
> >>>>>     When I do my public speaking, whether for the NFB or for kairos
> >>> Health
> >>>>> &
> >>>>> Wellness Center (my private practice, see http://www.KairosHWC.com)  I
> >>>>> generally employ music as a tool to engage and underscore my talks. I
> >>>>> share
> >>>>> this with you to encourage you to develop several talents and use all
> >>> your
> >>>>>
> >>>>> assets as you network with others!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fraternally yours,
> >>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >>>>> National Federation of the Blind
> >>>>> 813-626-2789
> >>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:57 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Dear fellow NFB-Talk participants,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >    What professions or careers have you guys or gals done in your
> >>>>> > lifestime? I'm gearing this question towards those with little to no
> >>>>> > vision using either screen readers and or braille as their main form
> >>>>> > of performing the tasks of their personal to professionl livelyhood.
> >>>>> > I
> >>>>> > believe that such lists like the Federal Muster or NFB's Jobs list
> >>>>> > are
> >>>>> > far too formal and don't facilitate legimate conversations on such
> >>>>> > topics. Maybe tell about some of your challenges, academic history
> >>>>> > and
> >>>>> > advice for blind people to enter your fields. Thank you all so much,
> >>>>> > so would like to gleam something in counseling or something myself
> >>>>> > out
> >>>>> > of this dialogue or abstract coping mechanism or something.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thank you,
> >>>>> > Peter
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cordially,
> >>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> >>> cum laude Auburn University
> >>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> >>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> >>> Peter Q Wolfe
> >>> "Stand up for your rights"
> >>> Bob Marley
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> >
> > -- 
> > Cordially,
> > Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> > cum laude Auburn University
> > e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> > "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> > Peter Q Wolfe
> > "Stand up for your rights"
> > Bob Marley
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