[Blindtlk] Professions on list?

Mon Mar 25 11:16:50 UTC 2013

Well then take people like Marion Gwizdala and myself then. We are not normal people because we wanted to do what we wanted to do, blind or not.
Now I am not a liberty to speak for Marion,  and we may not see eye to eye on things, but I do respect what he does and continues to do.
He is a life coach, entertainer, educator, public speaker. President of NAGDU and so much more.
Or my chapter President, David Stayer, here on Long Island, he was the first blind Social Worker at Nassau County Medical Center.
Or my two dear friends from my chapter that passed away within 6 months of each other Mr. George Dominguez, who was the 1st Auditor with the IRS here on Long Island. He also served as the 1st Vice President of the NFB Greater Long Island Chapter. George passed away in August 2012 from a heart attack.
We then have Brad Greenspan, who was the person we all went to get names and titles of the people who we needed to get the word across that what you are doing is against ADA, etc. Here on Long Island, he was a very smart man, Brad was the 1st Parole Officer. He passed away in December 2012 and was the 2nd Vice President of our chapter. Now I carry the torch in my chapter doing the things that I do as work related or educating others that they can do it also.
Odd, different, not normal. If we are not normal that is fine with me. I am proud of what I have accomplished, and what I have seen and the people I have met, and been to places I never thought I would be.

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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:45:36 -0600
> From: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> 
> Marion,
> 
> 
>     Do you or do you not agree that this isn't normal behavior whether
> sighted or blind? A person to reach these limits to break them and to
> tame the restless spirit of human inginuity is odd not of the normal
> behavior of fellow humans. I applaude the NFB's doctor like I've heard
> of a blind scholar entering into the University of Winsconsin just
> that neither of those scenarios are normal or to the level that they
> should be. Till then I'll consider them not of the normal path in
> every field of medicine so encourage such progress not rail against
> them as you suggest.
> 
>     I'd mention that the uncanny individuals deserve recognition of
> their success in life. Great for them but realize that other things
> put into account not just mere blindness. For example,
> socio-economics, other disabilities, age or other challenges that can
> put into account for things. Believe it or not taht I appreciate all
> of this cause I'm a first generation graduate (cum laude) with college
> paid scholarship with my own inginuity not of anybody elses help at
> all. I agree just that some people need more help than others or
> simply in some circumstances that its impossible to do for now. I
> still hope that in working with such disinfranchized people that we
> can all learn from what we ungreatfully throw away without thinking of
> it like the sighted or nondisabled community does. So, would like to
> see the blind community like we are now working towards progress not
> regression into the past of no nope for the blind.
> 
> 
>     Lastly, I think that I've started off on the wrong footing on this
> list cause everyone is taking me the wrong way on here. I'm skeptical
> cause I don't believe in optimism or pessimism cause those will get
> you no where in life. I weight my options of what is available now to
> determine options for the future like any rational human should do.
> From that vantage point that I chart my path with improvized tools or
> techniques retrofitted of others or myself to make the seamingly
> impossible become the possible. Hope that this clarifies the
> misunderstanding that I'm not encouraging cause I've been a huge
> advocate for blind people to enter the work-force and higher
> education. Just that I don't tell them fairy-tales that they can do
> everything cause that is faulty and not logical on its face. All of
> this is just difference of perseption not sensation cause alumni of my
> university sadly just me and one other attended the Work-Force
> Recruitment Program www.wrp.gov out of one thousand students that was
> it. Until we muster the collective resources at our exposure that must
> be dispursed that many opportunities will slip out of our hands that
> is why I'm on this list not to join the NFB but to help the NFB.
> 
> 
> sincerely,
> Peter
> 
> On 3/25/13, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > Peter,
> >     I think that using the word "oddity" to describe the accomplishments of
> >
> > blind people who have unusual vocations demonstrates a stereotype that blind
> >
> > people are inherently relegated to specific occupations and those who break
> >
> > the stereotype are odd. You mentioned, for instance, "a medical doctor in
> > the ACB" who, it seems, only accomplished this because he was sighted when
> > he received his medical degree. How, then, do you explain the medical doctor
> >
> > in the NFB who has been blind all his life? Just because one believes a
> > blind person cannot do some thing or another does not mean this belief is
> > fact and, by doing so, that person is odd! This person, in my opinion, is a
> >
> > trailblazer and other blind people are encouraged to break the stereotypes
> > that bind us to misconceptions of what is possible.
> >     For a very long time, people believed that breaking the 4-minute mile
> > mark was impossible and, though many came close, this belief kept people
> > from accomplishing this task. Once the 4-minute mile barrier was broken,
> > there came the realization that this was possible and people have broken
> > that mark time and time again. The adage of my private practice is  Henry
> > Ford's quotation"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're
> > right!"
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >>
> >>    Thanks for your e-mail even if it assumes things that I don't
> >> believe in or have stated! Much of what you said that I covered in my
> >> questions e-mail! Anyways, I do appreciate the sincere effort and have
> >> heard of oddities of feats of some blind people that can have multiple
> >> reasons not just one reason like having vision prior like a medical
> >> doctor in ACB in Houston, Texas just a small example with former sight
> >> or whatever.
> >>
> >>
> >>    What type of computer programming do you do Mike or have done in
> >> your past jobs? I'm curious cause this is something that is a hobby of
> >> mine and something that I've become rusty in as well. My thing is that
> >> I don't know nemeth code and was openly discouraged by the Principle
> >> of American School for the Blind and was openly referred to get my GED
> >> not my high school diploma because of that conversation that we had. I
> >> also wonder with shifting software that has it become easier in your
> >> jobs or harder to keep up especially with unfamilar technology
> >> unaccessible to the blind? I wonder how flexible the employers whether
> >> private or public have been in such scenarios?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On 3/24/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> hi,
> >>>
> >>> sometimes you have to do your own research as well.
> >>> i found info about a whole plant of blind guys performing cnc machine
> >>> work
> >>> producing parts for Boeing but never heard of those guys in 20 years
> >>> because
> >>>
> >>> they aren't associated with the nfb or blue collar isn't deemed as
> >>> popular
> >>> or important than white collar jobs.
> >>>
> >>> Bryan Schulz
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Peter:
> >>>>
> >>>> Before proceeding, I'll tell you that I *do* worry about the economy
> >>>> and
> >>>> out-sourcing although that last trend is abating as foreign labor
> >>>> becomes
> >>>> more expensive and makes employment here in the U.S. attractive again.
> >>>> I
> >>>> worry what will happen to people who heretofore had skilled jobs that
> >>>> might
> >>>> not have required a college degree but now do. And I worry especially
> >>>> about
> >>>> what will happen to unskilled and semi-skilled jobs in an economy that
> >>>> requires more and more high-tech skills. But these are generalized
> >>>> worries
> >>>> and apply to blind and sighted alike.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now then: it is the contention of Federationists in general that your
> >>>> asking
> >>>> the questions ass-backward. You ask: what can the blind do and within
> >>>> the
> >>>> jobs available by this answer, what might I be interested in. Most of
> >>>> us
> >>>> contend -- and it was and is the model on which NFB training centers
> >>>> and
> >>>> those who follow their precepts believe in -- that, like everyone else,
> >>>> you
> >>>> should instead be asking: what do I want to do with my life? What
> >>>> interests
> >>>> me? And *then* you ask not whether but, rather, *how* you would do
> >>>> whatever
> >>>> it is as a blind person. The answer may, indeed, at the moment be that
> >>>> you
> >>>> will not be able to do exactly what you want. For example, you might
> >>>> not
> >>>> be
> >>>> able to be a long-haul truck-driver. But this may not always be the
> >>>> case
> >>>> and
> >>>> in the meantime, you *could* operate a trucking company (I knew a blind
> >>>> man
> >>>> who did just that). Incidentally, I've known people who were
> >>>> electricians,
> >>>> software engineers or computer programmers who all were blind. I met a
> >>>> blind
> >>>> plumber once who did his own pipe soldering (how, I do not know). I met
> >>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> guy at a Federation convention who had a hum-drum civil service day job
> >>>> but
> >>>> as a hobby was a SCUBA enthusiast. His local police department employed
> >>>> him
> >>>> to search underwater for cars and bodies that had suffered the
> >>>> misfortune
> >>>>
> >>>> of
> >>>> landing in nearby rivers and lakes. It didn't matter to *him* that the
> >>>> water
> >>>> was mirky and he couldn't see six inches in front of his face -- he
> >>>> couldn't
> >>>> anyway! The kicker of all this was that he made more money with his
> >>>> hobby
> >>>> doing that than he did at his day job. I've been kicking myself ever
> >>>> since
> >>>> that I didn't get the guy's name.
> >>>>
> >>>> Once you've decided what interests you, you get on lists such as this
> >>>> one
> >>>> and ask how you could do whatever it is you want to do as a blind
> >>>> person.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or
> >>>> you could write to Dr. Maurer and ask. Every once-in-a-while,
> >>>> Federation
> >>>> officers and rank-and-file members are asked to contact and/or mentor
> >>>> someone who wants to do something but doesn't know how as a blind
> >>>> person
> >>>> and
> >>>> it is known that someone in the Federation does that very thing. The
> >>>> subjects of such inquiry can range from jobs to marching in a high
> >>>> school
> >>>> marching band (some blind folks from Ohio were in the Rose Parade a
> >>>> while
> >>>> back). Mrs. Maurer who had, herself, been in a marching band, answered
> >>>> that
> >>>> query.
> >>>>
> >>>> You could also get in contact with your state's agency rendering rehab
> >>>> and/or other services to the blind. These range from abominable to
> >>>> excellent. In any event, it is part of the mandate of these agencies to
> >>>> provide to you or see to it that you are provided with the skills and
> >>>> knowledge to do what you wish -- and *you* are in the driver's seat
> >>>> here
> >>>> although it may take some convincing of bureaucrats to get them to
> >>>> recognize
> >>>> this.
> >>>>
> >>>> The keys here are a can-do attitude and flexibility.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this always work? Of course not. But then job-seeking efforts of
> >>>> the
> >>>> sighted don't work always, either. And there's no question but that
> >>>> there
> >>>>
> >>>> is
> >>>> prejudice against the blind (not out of hatred, mostly, but out of
> >>>> misguided
> >>>> kindness). But we in the Federation seek to equip you with the tools
> >>>> and
> >>>> attitudes you'll need to overcome this prejudice.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't necessarily expect you to put much credence in this answer, at
> >>>> least
> >>>> at first, but there it is.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike Freeman
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> >>>> Wolfe
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:41 AM
> >>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>>
> >>>> cheryl,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    I have a question for just like me weren't born blind but became
> >>>> blind later in life. How did you know the right skills or technologies
> >>>> to master in order to know which fields to go into being blind? This
> >>>> is a question that I've puzzled on for a decade that i've found no
> >>>> satisfactory answer for in my circumstance. At one time, I wanted to
> >>>> be an electrician or software engineer or computer science cause of
> >>>> loving to fiddle with things like my father who was a electrical
> >>>> engineer for a utility company in my native Texas. However, my sights
> >>>> are much lower with experience and discouragement of many
> >>>> institutions, indvidiausl and even bios that I've read on NFB, AFB or
> >>>> talking to fellow blind individuals that I gave up on those goals.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    I'd really appreciate any feedback to the above paragraphy even
> >>>> criticism of it. It bleeds into my second and last question that I've
> >>>> also been puzzled with too. Once you do decide your profession that we
> >>>> all have problems with the skills and tools in our collective
> >>>> professions at times right? How did you overcome or continue to
> >>>> overcome against the odds with the changing nature of technology, the
> >>>> economy and other adverrse situations? Yes, I know the general just
> >>>> seems so hard for us or impossible in whole industries being
> >>>> outsourced or done away in automation or whatever. I don't think its
> >>>> an easy nor exactly fair question but worth throwing out there cause
> >>>> its hard on everyone right now not just the blind. I try to keep this
> >>>> prospective as I pursue employment that isn't that comforting as your
> >>>> denied a job though. I don't mean any of my questions with any
> >>>> disrespect at all just think lots of you come across as idealist or
> >>>> naive on the state of the economy or of what blind people can do in
> >>>> the real economy.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/24/13, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Good morning all:
> >>>>> For someone who before losing her vision at 35, I was a college
> >>>>> graduate
> >>>> of
> >>>>> Culinary Arts and also Business.
> >>>>> I didn't pursue the Culinary Arts part of the Profession, but it help
> >>>>> me
> >>>>> learn the proper ways to cook and my family appreciates all the things
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> made then and now then and restaurant could plus it did help with my
> >>>>> cooking skills after losing my vision doing to smell touch taste,
> >>>>> hearing
> >>>>> when things boil, feeling the heat of the stove and steam, and also
> >>>>> good
> >>>>> knife skills.
> >>>>> The business part always helps in any profession.
> >>>>> For 20+ years even in my late teens, I always worked in an
> >>>>> office/sales
> >>>>> enviroment to help with paying off school. Worked in the field until
> >>>>> 2001
> >>>> as
> >>>>> an Administrative Assistant to the owner/president of a small sales
> >>>> company
> >>>>> here on Long Island for a number of years, until I had to leave due to
> >>>>> medical issues that I eventually lost my vision.
> >>>>> After that I and when I was able to do so and had gotten re-trained by
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> VR Centers here I became the 1st Blind person here on Long Island to
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> graduate of one of our prestigage medical billing schools. I worked as
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> medical biller for one of the large laboratory (Blood and other
> >>>>> testing
> >>>>> companies here on Long Island), and then I started my own business in
> >>>> 2009,
> >>>>> I am a Travel Agent, and as you can read by my signature here, have
> >>>>> been
> >>>>> recognized by my state and Vocational Rehab organizations here in NY
> >>>>> as
> >>>> well
> >>>>> as by Governor Cuomo.
> >>>>> We can be anything we want, it is a matter of learning on how to do
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>> I also share what I dont in the travel industry for us all. I fight
> >>>>> for
> >>>> all
> >>>>> of us, and educate those companies that don't.
> >>>>> Cheryl
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> >>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
> >>>>> Travel
> >>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
> >>>>>
> >>>> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatrave
> >>>> l.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
> >>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> >>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> >>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
> >>>>> Federation
> >>>> of
> >>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> >>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any
> >>>> vacation
> >>>>> package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation
> >>>>> must
> >>>> be
> >>>>> traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go
> >>>>> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for
> >>>>> families
> >>>>> and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the
> >>>>> affiliate
> >>>>> as well.  You do not need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book
> >>>>> through
> >>>>> us.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: blind411 at verizon.net
> >>>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:11:56 -0400
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Peter,
> >>>>>>     There is a wealth of information available on various professions
> >>>>>> blind
> >>>>>> people perform available through the NFB. As for me, I had a
> >>>>>> challenging
> >>>>>> time deciding what I wanted to be when I grew up and, since I have
> >>>>>> not
> >>>> yet
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> grown up, am still deciding! (grin) I have been a professional
> >>>>>> musician
> >>>>>> since I was 16 years old. In my 20s I pursued a career in sales and
> >>>>>> eventually found myself recruiting people to work overseas. After
> >>>>>> saddam
> >>>>>> Hussein invaded Kuwait, the bottom fell out of the overseas
> >>>>>> employment
> >>>>>> market, so I went back to school, got a Bachelor's degree in
> >>>>>> Psychology
> >>>>>> followed by a master of Science degree in Mental Health Counseling. I
> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>> currently in private practice as a Life coach and Hypnotherapist,
> >>>>>> though
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> still perform regularly and serve Unity North Tampa as their Music
> >>>>>> Director.
> >>>>>>     When I do my public speaking, whether for the NFB or for kairos
> >>>> Health
> >>>>>> &
> >>>>>> Wellness Center (my private practice, see http://www.KairosHWC.com)
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> generally employ music as a tool to engage and underscore my talks. I
> >>>>>> share
> >>>>>> this with you to encourage you to develop several talents and use all
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> assets as you network with others!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fraternally yours,
> >>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
> >>>>>> 813-626-2789
> >>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:57 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Dear fellow NFB-Talk participants,
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >    What professions or careers have you guys or gals done in your
> >>>>>> > lifestime? I'm gearing this question towards those with little to
> >>>>>> > no
> >>>>>> > vision using either screen readers and or braille as their main
> >>>>>> > form
> >>>>>> > of performing the tasks of their personal to professionl
> >>>>>> > livelyhood.
> >>>>>> > I
> >>>>>> > believe that such lists like the Federal Muster or NFB's Jobs list
> >>>>>> > are
> >>>>>> > far too formal and don't facilitate legimate conversations on such
> >>>>>> > topics. Maybe tell about some of your challenges, academic history
> >>>>>> > and
> >>>>>> > advice for blind people to enter your fields. Thank you all so
> >>>>>> > much,
> >>>>>> > so would like to gleam something in counseling or something myself
> >>>>>> > out
> >>>>>> > of this dialogue or abstract coping mechanism or something.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Thank you,
> >>>>>> > Peter
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cordially,
> >>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> >>>> cum laude Auburn University
> >>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> >>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> >>>> Peter Q Wolfe
> >>>> "Stand up for your rights"
> >>>> Bob Marley
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cordially,
> >> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> >> cum laude Auburn University
> >> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> >> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> >> Peter Q Wolfe
> >> "Stand up for your rights"
> >> Bob Marley
> >>
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> 
> -- 
> Cordially,
> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> cum laude Auburn University
> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> Peter Q Wolfe
> "Stand up for your rights"
> Bob Marley
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