[Blindtlk] Professions on list?

Mon Mar 25 13:08:49 UTC 2013

    We need more people like you to carry this torch to all reaches of
the globe for the blind! Its a great thing that there are people in
your influence in power to shape the upcoming generation into
ambitious career tracks. I truly feel like those like me that
self-esteem is a barrier that poses a big obstactle especially without
having job experience being blind. If only could hold down a job for a
while or given a chance by hard work that I'd regain something that
I've lost self-worth.


Hugs,
Peter

On 3/25/13, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well then take people like Marion Gwizdala and myself then. We are not
> normal people because we wanted to do what we wanted to do, blind or not.
> Now I am not a liberty to speak for Marion,  and we may not see eye to eye
> on things, but I do respect what he does and continues to do.
> He is a life coach, entertainer, educator, public speaker. President of
> NAGDU and so much more.
> Or my chapter President, David Stayer, here on Long Island, he was the first
> blind Social Worker at Nassau County Medical Center.
> Or my two dear friends from my chapter that passed away within 6 months of
> each other Mr. George Dominguez, who was the 1st Auditor with the IRS here
> on Long Island. He also served as the 1st Vice President of the NFB Greater
> Long Island Chapter. George passed away in August 2012 from a heart attack.
> We then have Brad Greenspan, who was the person we all went to get names and
> titles of the people who we needed to get the word across that what you are
> doing is against ADA, etc. Here on Long Island, he was a very smart man,
> Brad was the 1st Parole Officer. He passed away in December 2012 and was the
> 2nd Vice President of our chapter. Now I carry the torch in my chapter doing
> the things that I do as work related or educating others that they can do it
> also.
> Odd, different, not normal. If we are not normal that is fine with me. I am
> proud of what I have accomplished, and what I have seen and the people I
> have met, and been to places I never thought I would be.
>
>
>
> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible Travel
> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National Federation of
> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any vacation
> package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be
> traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the
> affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families
> and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate
> as well.  You do not need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through
> us.
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:45:36 -0600
>> From: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>>
>> Marion,
>>
>>
>>     Do you or do you not agree that this isn't normal behavior whether
>> sighted or blind? A person to reach these limits to break them and to
>> tame the restless spirit of human inginuity is odd not of the normal
>> behavior of fellow humans. I applaude the NFB's doctor like I've heard
>> of a blind scholar entering into the University of Winsconsin just
>> that neither of those scenarios are normal or to the level that they
>> should be. Till then I'll consider them not of the normal path in
>> every field of medicine so encourage such progress not rail against
>> them as you suggest.
>>
>>     I'd mention that the uncanny individuals deserve recognition of
>> their success in life. Great for them but realize that other things
>> put into account not just mere blindness. For example,
>> socio-economics, other disabilities, age or other challenges that can
>> put into account for things. Believe it or not taht I appreciate all
>> of this cause I'm a first generation graduate (cum laude) with college
>> paid scholarship with my own inginuity not of anybody elses help at
>> all. I agree just that some people need more help than others or
>> simply in some circumstances that its impossible to do for now. I
>> still hope that in working with such disinfranchized people that we
>> can all learn from what we ungreatfully throw away without thinking of
>> it like the sighted or nondisabled community does. So, would like to
>> see the blind community like we are now working towards progress not
>> regression into the past of no nope for the blind.
>>
>>
>>     Lastly, I think that I've started off on the wrong footing on this
>> list cause everyone is taking me the wrong way on here. I'm skeptical
>> cause I don't believe in optimism or pessimism cause those will get
>> you no where in life. I weight my options of what is available now to
>> determine options for the future like any rational human should do.
>> From that vantage point that I chart my path with improvized tools or
>> techniques retrofitted of others or myself to make the seamingly
>> impossible become the possible. Hope that this clarifies the
>> misunderstanding that I'm not encouraging cause I've been a huge
>> advocate for blind people to enter the work-force and higher
>> education. Just that I don't tell them fairy-tales that they can do
>> everything cause that is faulty and not logical on its face. All of
>> this is just difference of perseption not sensation cause alumni of my
>> university sadly just me and one other attended the Work-Force
>> Recruitment Program www.wrp.gov out of one thousand students that was
>> it. Until we muster the collective resources at our exposure that must
>> be dispursed that many opportunities will slip out of our hands that
>> is why I'm on this list not to join the NFB but to help the NFB.
>>
>>
>> sincerely,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 3/25/13, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> > Peter,
>> >     I think that using the word "oddity" to describe the accomplishments
>> > of
>> >
>> > blind people who have unusual vocations demonstrates a stereotype that
>> > blind
>> >
>> > people are inherently relegated to specific occupations and those who
>> > break
>> >
>> > the stereotype are odd. You mentioned, for instance, "a medical doctor
>> > in
>> > the ACB" who, it seems, only accomplished this because he was sighted
>> > when
>> > he received his medical degree. How, then, do you explain the medical
>> > doctor
>> >
>> > in the NFB who has been blind all his life? Just because one believes a
>> > blind person cannot do some thing or another does not mean this belief
>> > is
>> > fact and, by doing so, that person is odd! This person, in my opinion,
>> > is a
>> >
>> > trailblazer and other blind people are encouraged to break the
>> > stereotypes
>> > that bind us to misconceptions of what is possible.
>> >     For a very long time, people believed that breaking the 4-minute
>> > mile
>> > mark was impossible and, though many came close, this belief kept
>> > people
>> > from accomplishing this task. Once the 4-minute mile barrier was
>> > broken,
>> > there came the realization that this was possible and people have
>> > broken
>> > that mark time and time again. The adage of my private practice is
>> > Henry
>> > Ford's quotation"Whether you think you can or you think you can't,
>> > you're
>> > right!"
>> >
>> > Fraternally yours,
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:36 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>    Thanks for your e-mail even if it assumes things that I don't
>> >> believe in or have stated! Much of what you said that I covered in my
>> >> questions e-mail! Anyways, I do appreciate the sincere effort and have
>> >> heard of oddities of feats of some blind people that can have multiple
>> >> reasons not just one reason like having vision prior like a medical
>> >> doctor in ACB in Houston, Texas just a small example with former sight
>> >> or whatever.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>    What type of computer programming do you do Mike or have done in
>> >> your past jobs? I'm curious cause this is something that is a hobby of
>> >> mine and something that I've become rusty in as well. My thing is that
>> >> I don't know nemeth code and was openly discouraged by the Principle
>> >> of American School for the Blind and was openly referred to get my GED
>> >> not my high school diploma because of that conversation that we had. I
>> >> also wonder with shifting software that has it become easier in your
>> >> jobs or harder to keep up especially with unfamilar technology
>> >> unaccessible to the blind? I wonder how flexible the employers whether
>> >> private or public have been in such scenarios?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> On 3/24/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>> hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> sometimes you have to do your own research as well.
>> >>> i found info about a whole plant of blind guys performing cnc machine
>> >>> work
>> >>> producing parts for Boeing but never heard of those guys in 20 years
>> >>> because
>> >>>
>> >>> they aren't associated with the nfb or blue collar isn't deemed as
>> >>> popular
>> >>> or important than white collar jobs.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bryan Schulz
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Peter:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Before proceeding, I'll tell you that I *do* worry about the economy
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> out-sourcing although that last trend is abating as foreign labor
>> >>>> becomes
>> >>>> more expensive and makes employment here in the U.S. attractive
>> >>>> again.
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> worry what will happen to people who heretofore had skilled jobs
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> might
>> >>>> not have required a college degree but now do. And I worry
>> >>>> especially
>> >>>> about
>> >>>> what will happen to unskilled and semi-skilled jobs in an economy
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> requires more and more high-tech skills. But these are generalized
>> >>>> worries
>> >>>> and apply to blind and sighted alike.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now then: it is the contention of Federationists in general that
>> >>>> your
>> >>>> asking
>> >>>> the questions ass-backward. You ask: what can the blind do and
>> >>>> within
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> jobs available by this answer, what might I be interested in. Most
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> us
>> >>>> contend -- and it was and is the model on which NFB training centers
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> those who follow their precepts believe in -- that, like everyone
>> >>>> else,
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> should instead be asking: what do I want to do with my life? What
>> >>>> interests
>> >>>> me? And *then* you ask not whether but, rather, *how* you would do
>> >>>> whatever
>> >>>> it is as a blind person. The answer may, indeed, at the moment be
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> will not be able to do exactly what you want. For example, you might
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> able to be a long-haul truck-driver. But this may not always be the
>> >>>> case
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> in the meantime, you *could* operate a trucking company (I knew a
>> >>>> blind
>> >>>> man
>> >>>> who did just that). Incidentally, I've known people who were
>> >>>> electricians,
>> >>>> software engineers or computer programmers who all were blind. I met
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> blind
>> >>>> plumber once who did his own pipe soldering (how, I do not know). I
>> >>>> met
>> >>>>
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> guy at a Federation convention who had a hum-drum civil service day
>> >>>> job
>> >>>> but
>> >>>> as a hobby was a SCUBA enthusiast. His local police department
>> >>>> employed
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> to search underwater for cars and bodies that had suffered the
>> >>>> misfortune
>> >>>>
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> landing in nearby rivers and lakes. It didn't matter to *him* that
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> water
>> >>>> was mirky and he couldn't see six inches in front of his face -- he
>> >>>> couldn't
>> >>>> anyway! The kicker of all this was that he made more money with his
>> >>>> hobby
>> >>>> doing that than he did at his day job. I've been kicking myself ever
>> >>>> since
>> >>>> that I didn't get the guy's name.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once you've decided what interests you, you get on lists such as
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> one
>> >>>> and ask how you could do whatever it is you want to do as a blind
>> >>>> person.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or
>> >>>> you could write to Dr. Maurer and ask. Every once-in-a-while,
>> >>>> Federation
>> >>>> officers and rank-and-file members are asked to contact and/or
>> >>>> mentor
>> >>>> someone who wants to do something but doesn't know how as a blind
>> >>>> person
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> it is known that someone in the Federation does that very thing. The
>> >>>> subjects of such inquiry can range from jobs to marching in a high
>> >>>> school
>> >>>> marching band (some blind folks from Ohio were in the Rose Parade a
>> >>>> while
>> >>>> back). Mrs. Maurer who had, herself, been in a marching band,
>> >>>> answered
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> query.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You could also get in contact with your state's agency rendering
>> >>>> rehab
>> >>>> and/or other services to the blind. These range from abominable to
>> >>>> excellent. In any event, it is part of the mandate of these agencies
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> provide to you or see to it that you are provided with the skills
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> knowledge to do what you wish -- and *you* are in the driver's seat
>> >>>> here
>> >>>> although it may take some convincing of bureaucrats to get them to
>> >>>> recognize
>> >>>> this.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The keys here are a can-do attitude and flexibility.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does this always work? Of course not. But then job-seeking efforts
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> sighted don't work always, either. And there's no question but that
>> >>>> there
>> >>>>
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> prejudice against the blind (not out of hatred, mostly, but out of
>> >>>> misguided
>> >>>> kindness). But we in the Federation seek to equip you with the tools
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> attitudes you'll need to overcome this prejudice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't necessarily expect you to put much credence in this answer,
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> least
>> >>>> at first, but there it is.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mike Freeman
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>>> Peter
>> >>>> Wolfe
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:41 AM
>> >>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> cheryl,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    I have a question for just like me weren't born blind but became
>> >>>> blind later in life. How did you know the right skills or
>> >>>> technologies
>> >>>> to master in order to know which fields to go into being blind? This
>> >>>> is a question that I've puzzled on for a decade that i've found no
>> >>>> satisfactory answer for in my circumstance. At one time, I wanted to
>> >>>> be an electrician or software engineer or computer science cause of
>> >>>> loving to fiddle with things like my father who was a electrical
>> >>>> engineer for a utility company in my native Texas. However, my
>> >>>> sights
>> >>>> are much lower with experience and discouragement of many
>> >>>> institutions, indvidiausl and even bios that I've read on NFB, AFB
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> talking to fellow blind individuals that I gave up on those goals.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    I'd really appreciate any feedback to the above paragraphy even
>> >>>> criticism of it. It bleeds into my second and last question that
>> >>>> I've
>> >>>> also been puzzled with too. Once you do decide your profession that
>> >>>> we
>> >>>> all have problems with the skills and tools in our collective
>> >>>> professions at times right? How did you overcome or continue to
>> >>>> overcome against the odds with the changing nature of technology,
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> economy and other adverrse situations? Yes, I know the general just
>> >>>> seems so hard for us or impossible in whole industries being
>> >>>> outsourced or done away in automation or whatever. I don't think its
>> >>>> an easy nor exactly fair question but worth throwing out there cause
>> >>>> its hard on everyone right now not just the blind. I try to keep
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> prospective as I pursue employment that isn't that comforting as
>> >>>> your
>> >>>> denied a job though. I don't mean any of my questions with any
>> >>>> disrespect at all just think lots of you come across as idealist or
>> >>>> naive on the state of the economy or of what blind people can do in
>> >>>> the real economy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Peter
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 3/24/13, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Good morning all:
>> >>>>> For someone who before losing her vision at 35, I was a college
>> >>>>> graduate
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> Culinary Arts and also Business.
>> >>>>> I didn't pursue the Culinary Arts part of the Profession, but it
>> >>>>> help
>> >>>>> me
>> >>>>> learn the proper ways to cook and my family appreciates all the
>> >>>>> things
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> made then and now then and restaurant could plus it did help with
>> >>>>> my
>> >>>>> cooking skills after losing my vision doing to smell touch taste,
>> >>>>> hearing
>> >>>>> when things boil, feeling the heat of the stove and steam, and also
>> >>>>> good
>> >>>>> knife skills.
>> >>>>> The business part always helps in any profession.
>> >>>>> For 20+ years even in my late teens, I always worked in an
>> >>>>> office/sales
>> >>>>> enviroment to help with paying off school. Worked in the field
>> >>>>> until
>> >>>>> 2001
>> >>>> as
>> >>>>> an Administrative Assistant to the owner/president of a small sales
>> >>>> company
>> >>>>> here on Long Island for a number of years, until I had to leave due
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> medical issues that I eventually lost my vision.
>> >>>>> After that I and when I was able to do so and had gotten re-trained
>> >>>>> by
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> VR Centers here I became the 1st Blind person here on Long Island
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> graduate of one of our prestigage medical billing schools. I worked
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> medical biller for one of the large laboratory (Blood and other
>> >>>>> testing
>> >>>>> companies here on Long Island), and then I started my own business
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>> 2009,
>> >>>>> I am a Travel Agent, and as you can read by my signature here, have
>> >>>>> been
>> >>>>> recognized by my state and Vocational Rehab organizations here in
>> >>>>> NY
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>> well
>> >>>>> as by Governor Cuomo.
>> >>>>> We can be anything we want, it is a matter of learning on how to do
>> >>>>> it.
>> >>>>> I also share what I dont in the travel industry for us all. I fight
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>> all
>> >>>>> of us, and educate those companies that don't.
>> >>>>> Cheryl
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>> >>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
>> >>>>> Travel
>> >>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatrave
>> >>>> l.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
>> >>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>> >>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
>> >>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>> >>>>> Federation
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>> >>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any
>> >>>> vacation
>> >>>>> package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and
>> >>>>> vacation
>> >>>>> must
>> >>>> be
>> >>>>> traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will
>> >>>>> go
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for
>> >>>>> families
>> >>>>> and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the
>> >>>>> affiliate
>> >>>>> as well.  You do not need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book
>> >>>>> through
>> >>>>> us.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> From: blind411 at verizon.net
>> >>>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:11:56 -0400
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Peter,
>> >>>>>>     There is a wealth of information available on various
>> >>>>>> professions
>> >>>>>> blind
>> >>>>>> people perform available through the NFB. As for me, I had a
>> >>>>>> challenging
>> >>>>>> time deciding what I wanted to be when I grew up and, since I have
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>> yet
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> grown up, am still deciding! (grin) I have been a professional
>> >>>>>> musician
>> >>>>>> since I was 16 years old. In my 20s I pursued a career in sales
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> eventually found myself recruiting people to work overseas. After
>> >>>>>> saddam
>> >>>>>> Hussein invaded Kuwait, the bottom fell out of the overseas
>> >>>>>> employment
>> >>>>>> market, so I went back to school, got a Bachelor's degree in
>> >>>>>> Psychology
>> >>>>>> followed by a master of Science degree in Mental Health Counseling.
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> am
>> >>>>>> currently in private practice as a Life coach and Hypnotherapist,
>> >>>>>> though
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> still perform regularly and serve Unity North Tampa as their Music
>> >>>>>> Director.
>> >>>>>>     When I do my public speaking, whether for the NFB or for
>> >>>>>> kairos
>> >>>> Health
>> >>>>>> &
>> >>>>>> Wellness Center (my private practice, see
>> >>>>>> http://www.KairosHWC.com)
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> generally employ music as a tool to engage and underscore my talks.
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> share
>> >>>>>> this with you to encourage you to develop several talents and use
>> >>>>>> all
>> >>>> your
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> assets as you network with others!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>> >>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> >>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
>> >>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>> >>>>>> 813-626-2789
>> >>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>> >>>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:57 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Professions on list?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> > Dear fellow NFB-Talk participants,
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >    What professions or careers have you guys or gals done in
>> >>>>>> > your
>> >>>>>> > lifestime? I'm gearing this question towards those with little
>> >>>>>> > to
>> >>>>>> > no
>> >>>>>> > vision using either screen readers and or braille as their main
>> >>>>>> > form
>> >>>>>> > of performing the tasks of their personal to professionl
>> >>>>>> > livelyhood.
>> >>>>>> > I
>> >>>>>> > believe that such lists like the Federal Muster or NFB's Jobs
>> >>>>>> > list
>> >>>>>> > are
>> >>>>>> > far too formal and don't facilitate legimate conversations on
>> >>>>>> > such
>> >>>>>> > topics. Maybe tell about some of your challenges, academic
>> >>>>>> > history
>> >>>>>> > and
>> >>>>>> > advice for blind people to enter your fields. Thank you all so
>> >>>>>> > much,
>> >>>>>> > so would like to gleam something in counseling or something
>> >>>>>> > myself
>> >>>>>> > out
>> >>>>>> > of this dialogue or abstract coping mechanism or something.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Thank you,
>> >>>>>> > Peter
>> >>>>>> >
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Cordially,
>> >>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> >>>> cum laude Auburn University
>> >>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>> >>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for
>> >>>> anything"
>> >>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>> >>>> "Stand up for your rights"
>> >>>> Bob Marley
>> >>>>
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>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> cum laude Auburn University
>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
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>> Peter Q Wolfe
>> "Stand up for your rights"
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Cordially,
Peter Q Wolfe, BA
cum laude Auburn University
e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
"If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
Peter Q Wolfe
"Stand up for your rights"
Bob Marley