[Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

Mon Mar 25 12:10:48 UTC 2013

Good morning Carly:
Exactly. We are lucky in this country, some countries out there put there blind into the hospitals or lock them up and they are an embarrassment and think that we still cannot or should not learn or work.
Being also a woman, in some countries we are not allowed to leave the home or work, etc.  
I am glad we are in a country that we can fight for what we want and to believe in. I will not always believe in what my brothers and sisters have to say in the organization, and I will not be thrown out because I don't. 
If I was I wouldn't be here. To many people still bully us those in this organization and outside of it. We just to stick our chests out and lift our heads up and move forward.
Peace.

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> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:40:25 -0700
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> From: carlymih at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> 
> Okay, Peter,
> 
> What about pluralism, you know, room for everyone, everyone having 
> his own magic, or contribution to this human experiment.
> I am of a belief that there need not be any one way to do things, to 
> refer to people. That, this culture is one of a tossed salad, people 
> of all shapes, sizes and yes, colors thrown into a big bowl, and it 
> is left to human tenacity to look beyond the stuff that traditionally 
> divides us, and find a life, as one.
> with many hugs,
> Car32 AM 3/25/2013, you wrote:
> >     How about just call me by my given name? A unique concept that is
> >something that people must label people that I find appalling myself.
> >We should be progressing like I wouldn't see it possible to call
> >someone a racial derogatory word that someone shouldn't call me
> >something beyond my control. I don't call someone that so deserve
> >respect like a normal human being not an animal. Not that much to ask
> >for in a civilized society that is why we have hate crime legislation
> >and specially protected people like women, racial minorities or sexual
> >deviants like me too!
> >
> >On 3/25/13, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Hi, Peter,
> > >
> > >          Are you one of those people contributing to people's
> > > reluctance to call us what we are, blind? What's in a name, anyway?
> > > What is the term you like to be called, just so I don't call you BLIND?
> > > Loving, Carfigure out what to call us?  At 06:41 PM 3/24/2013, you wrote:
> > >>Mike,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     What is for dinner? I just disagree with the labels of disabled
> > >>people or in fact the world disabled in the first place. What is
> > >>fundamentally broken by a blind person? I don't like handicapped,
> > >>disabled, consumer, client or any of it. I'd rather have participant
> > >>or customer would be okay as well just not consumer. It implies a
> > >>causality that and it reduces you to a number.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     First and foremost that we're all individuals right? I've had a
> > >>local taxi company in Auburn of my former college city call me "Blind
> > >>Pete". Can you imagine how enraged that they wouldn't change me for
> > >>two years just tcontiniously calling me "Blind Pete" even saved in
> > >>their contacts as that name too. Its like people attempt to turn you
> > >>into a object that dcan be treated less than a normal homo sapien.
> > >>Anyone else with similar experiences? This drives me insaine that way
> > >>don't usually ever gets to me but lately not as easy to do.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Peter
> > >>
> > >>On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> > >> > Peter:
> > >> >
> > >> > You're obsessing about the word "consumer" too much. In using that
> > >> > word,
> > >> > both rehab and most blind persons merely mean a designation of someone
> > >> > receiving services and, if we are honest, it's also a way to avoid the
> > >> > word
> > >> > "client" which some of us hate. Frankly, I don't care what you call me
> > >> > as
> > >> > long as you call me for dinner. (grin) Our state department of services
> > >> > for
> > >> > the blind calls those whom it serves "customers".
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike Freeman
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> > >> > Wolfe
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:43 PM
> > >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> > >> >
> > >> >    Why are blind people considered consumers in much of
> > >> > rehabilitation? They aren't producers, therefore, they are deemed
> > >> > inferior even by fellow blind professions who work at such facilities.
> > >> > Sorry the whole conversation is besides the point just a reason to
> > >> > demean someone of another opinion. I'm an atheist-agnostic, so view
> > >> > things in another paradigm than that of yourself in that way. I'm
> > >> > looking at everything extremely logical to a fault that is to say
> > >> > deductive logic not inductive logic as much.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > sincerely,
> > >> > Peter
> > >> >
> > >> > On 3/23/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Diane,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Absolutely, one hundred percent spot on!!!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mark Tardif
> > >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: Diane Graves
> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:14 PM
> > >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> > >> >> Subject: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Good Evening,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> For days I have been overwhelmed by the sizable discussion thread on
> > >> >> "Adjustment to blindness training NFB Centers Or Not," and I admit to
> > >> >> having
> > >> >> deleted a good number of the messages without reading, so I apologize
> > >> >> in
> > >> >> advance if I missed some things. I changed the subject line on
> > >> >> purpose,
> > >> >> just
> > >> >> in case there were others doing the same. However, tonight I am up
> > >> >> late
> > >> >> baking and have read a number of the posts, and feel compelled to
> > >> >> share
> > >> >> my
> > >> >> sentiments on a few things, or the facts as I see them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> First of all, I'll say, very respectfully, that there is one
> > >> >> participant
> > >> > in
> > >> >> the discussion who has me very confused. On one hand I hear him saying
> > >> > that
> > >> >> we in the federation need to "wake up and smell the coffee" and accept
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> fact that blindness does make us inferior. On the other hand, this
> > >> >> same
> > >> >> individual is saying that we need to come together to fight
> > >> >> discrimination
> > >> >> against the blind. If you, yourself, believe that you are inferior,
> > >> >> then
> > >> >> why
> > >> >> should society stop discriminating? In fact, how can they stop
> > >> >> discriminating? Why should employers hire us, and lessen that 70%
> > >> >> unemployment rate, if we aren't equal to our sighted counterparts?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Secondly, I'll just say that the notion that NFB believes that one
> > >> >> size
> > >> >> fits
> > >> >> all is ludicrous. There are no two blind people that are a like any
> > >> >> more
> > >> >> than there are two sighted people who are exactly alike. There are
> > >> >> sighted
> > >> >> people who are excellent construction workers, who do not have the
> > >> >> people
> > >> >> skills business prowess and any number of other skills necessary to be
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> CEO of a corporation.  That CEO  might not have the athletic prowess
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> fight his way out of a cardboard box.  That doesn't make either one of
> > >> > them
> > >> >> inferior. They're just different.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The statement that all blind people need to accept the fact that they
> > >> > can't
> > >> >> perform any number of given tasks, is, indeed, arrogant. We are just
> > >> >> as
> > >> >> varied in our abilities as the sighted.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have a dual disability in that I am not only totally blind, but also
> > >> > have
> > >> >> a significant hearing impairment. Therefore, there are a number of
> > >> >> blind
> > >> >> people who can run circles around me in the mobility arena, simply
> > >> >> because
> > >> >> they have the benefit of that good hearing. The fact that I have
> > >> >> trouble
> > >> > at
> > >> >> times, doesn't mean that they face the same drawbacks and that their
> > >> > skills
> > >> >> are not excellent and far above mine.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On the other hand, I am an avid Braille reader, and much prefer
> > >> >> Braille
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> any other media, whereas there are other blind people who prefer to
> > >> >> listen
> > >> >> to tapes and recorded books. My hearing is good enough that I could
> > >> >> certainly use audiobooks if I chose too. I just get more out of a book
> > >> > when
> > >> >> actively reading it myself. Some of those people with the superb
> > >> >> mobility
> > >> >> skills may not have the same prowess in Braille that I do. We are all
> > >> >> different.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mike Freeman and Gary Wunder are both skilled in the area of computer
> > >> >> programming, and, I suspect, could give sighted programmers a run for
> > >> > their
> > >> >> money. I, on the other hand am strictly a computer user. Start talking
> > >> >> about
> > >> >> programming and you've lost me immediately. The fact that I can't do
> > >> >> it,
> > >> >> doesn't mean that they're not experts in it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Don't know if this is making sense or not, but again, on one hand I
> > >> >> hear
> > >> >> this person  telling us that we are a cookie cutter organization,
> > >> >> while
> > >> >> at
> > >> >> the same time cutting his own cookies by telling us that we are all
> > >> >> severely
> > >> >> limited.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In our organization we have liberals and we have conservatives. We
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> Christians and we have atheists. We have people who are athletes and
> > >> >> those
> > >> >> who are out of shape and proud of it. Lol We have any variation that
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> could think of. What unites us is our desire and our intent to fight
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> discriminatory barriers which face the blind.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Now I'm not going to tell you that I've never known a federationist
> > >> >> who
> > >> >> believed that there was only one way of doing things and one standard
> > >> >> as
> > >> > it
> > >> >> relates to blindness skills. But that isn't the mantra of the
> > >> >> organization
> > >> >> at all.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you want to "stop dreaming" then that is your choice. But you can't
> > >> > take
> > >> >> my dreams.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Diane Graves
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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> > >> > --
> > >> > Cordially,
> > >> > Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> > >> > cum laude Auburn University
> > >> > e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> > >> > "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> > >> > Peter Q Wolfe
> > >> > "Stand up for your rights"
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> > >>Cordially,
> > >>Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> > >>cum laude Auburn University
> > >>e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> > >>"If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> > >>Peter Q Wolfe
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> >Cordially,
> >Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> >cum laude Auburn University
> >e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
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> >Peter Q Wolfe
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