[Blindtlk] an apology received

Wed May 15 18:08:42 UTC 2013

	Those damned flies! How can we keep them out of our ointment? Maybe
we could design a top too small for them to enter! (grin)

Marion

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:32 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an apology received

Marion: 
The fly in the ointment is that the legal definition of accessibility is
cloudy at best. It is much easier to determine that a website or piece of
software is inaccessible than it is to rigorously define when they are
accessible and complying with the law. 

Mike Freeman

On May 15, 2013, at 9:13, "blind411" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Daniel,
>    As for the question of whether or not Amazon or any other company 
> is required to make their websites accessible, I believe it is less a 
> matter of whether or not they want to do so than what the law requires 
> of them. For instance, if a brick & mortar store were to design a 
> building with an entrance only accessible by stairs and a doorway that 
> is only 24" wide, what would the law, implemented by building code 
> have to say about it? It would say that they are required to have an 
> equitable alternative entry for those patrons using a wheelchair. It 
> would not be up to them to decide whether or not this is done as it is 
> a legal requirement. Sure, those who use wheelchairs would have the 
> choice to go elsewhere, but why should they if this entity has what they
want at a price they are willing to pay?
>    The law has already affirmed that, just as a brick & mortar 
> facility is required to be accessible, so an electronic facility is 
> required to be accessible. Just as no respectable licensed architect 
> or building contractor would consider a building with physical 
> barriers, those who create the architecture of the internet must also
build facilities without barriers.
> The law has affirmed this and, as consumers, we need to demand it be done!
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Garcia
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:12 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an apology received
> 
> I do find it laughable that some people believe that the Amazons of 
> the world are so thinned skinned that they will refrain from making 
> their products accessible in order to avoid what they perceive to be a 
> negative press release from a "militant "organization. As far as 
> whether Amazon has to make their products accessible, well, I supposed 
> that if they don't want our business they don't have to, but if they 
> do, then it's probably a good idea.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
> Foret Jr
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:57 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an apology received
> 
> Quite so Mike-Quite so.  
> 
> Perhaps a truly nutral tone might have suited better.
> 
> But oh well.  What's done is done.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 12, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> 
>> Good show.
>> 
>> You also might want to tell your friend that NFB might have been more 
>> positive (though for the life of me, I can't see a reason we should 
>> bow down and worship Amazon for doing what they ought to have done
>> anyway) if amazon wasn't trying to tout inaccessible software for use 
>> in schools or imply that the Kindle app was good enough to do this.
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
>> Foret Jr
>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:56 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] an apology received
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You may reacall that, last night, I posted my comments on this list 
>> concerning criticism of the NFB.  This morning, I received an apology 
>> from one of the participants in that podcast.  I feel it only proper 
>> to send along what the person said to me.
>> "I want to express my apology for what I said and ought not to have 
>> said on the podcast. I read the article, and though I feel, as you 
>> said, that their message wasn't in tone what it ought to have been, I 
>> myself ought not to have been so quick to judge based on only the 
>> negative criticisms of others and not taking the time to see the 
>> entire picture. That was poor judgement on my part and I really need 
>> to be more careful as to better inform myself instead of feeding on 
>> just the negative criticism. Again, my sincere apologies".
>> 
>> For the record, I accepted.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
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