[Blindtlk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination case.

[Judy Jones]

I don't think going the legal route is being suggested, as much as knowing 
the law that supports the right to reasonable accommodation.

>From Mike's description, and I realize this is secondhand, it sounded like 
Ryan may not have been willing to dialogue, but hard to tell from our end.

Judy


-----Original Message----- 
From: Aleeha Dudley via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:30 PM
To: David Andrews ; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination 
case.

Why must we immediately jump to legal solutions? I am in favor of a gentle 
conversation first, followed by complaints, and, in the most extreme cases, 
legal action. It is not appropriate to pursue legal action right from the 
get-go. It just makes it worse image for the rest of us, and requires us to 
work harder to seem like reasonable individuals.

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian 
proverb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 17, 2014, at 6:03 PM, David Andrews via blindtlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the ADA does require that they provide you 
> with assistance.  You might have to show some flexibility, which you did 
> by calling ahead, but they can't outright refuse you.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:42 PM 8/17/2014, you wrote:
>> Hello NFB!
>> I am coming to you to first of all, appologize for my bitterness.  For 
>> those who know me, I was very bitter about the NFB and its practices. 
>> After this weekend, and my experience with another organization, I 
>> realize, that nfb is where I belong.
>> Please see the following incident that did happen to me this past week.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> I would like to discuss an incident which occured this past wednesday.
>>> I called a local grocery store, crossroads county market at or about 
>>> 3:00
>>> A.M. I spoke to a gentleman, curtus, and asked if I could obtain 
>>> shoppers
>>> assistance in an hour, as I am totally blind, and just needed a few 
>>> items.
>>> He said that he would assist me, and to come on in.  I called metro cab,
>>> and was transported to the store.  When I arived, curtus was at the
>>> counter, and stated to the manager, ryan, that I was here, and he was
>>> going to help me shop.  Ryan immediately stopped him, and told him that 
>>> I
>>> needed to bring in an assistant.  I immediately told him, that I don't
>>> just have assistance, and that they had helped me shop in the past.  He
>>> said yes we do have people that help us, and that if i can't bring in an
>>> assistant to arange one for later in the day.  I told him impossible, 
>>> and
>>> he stated that he has handicapped friends who bring in assistance all 
>>> the
>>> time.   I told him, that I am not his handicapped friends, and restated
>>> that they have helped me in the past, again, he said, his manager, ryan
>>> aiers told him that they are not to help us, and that we needed
>>> assistance.  I was outraged, and proceeded to call the Wausau police
>>> department.  After officers arived, and spoke to ryan, he told them that
>>> they are understaffed, and they again can not help me.
>>> The officers were very kind, and offered me a ride home.  Ryan told the
>>> officers that I was still allowed in the store, as long as I brought an
>>> assistant.
>>> Under the ADA, I believe there are clauses that protect our rights, and
>>> outline certain things a store must provide to blind persons?
>>> Do I have a case in regards to discrimination?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Mike.
>> After posting this to the ACB lists, a lot of people supported my side, 
>> while the majority said I deserved it, that I should of prepared better, 
>> a lot of people over there were just very rude, and really offended me.
>> I felt they just stood on the side-lines, I know the NFB stands up for 
>> what we believe, and that is what I am looking for in an organized 
>> movement.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike.
>
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
>
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