[Blindtlk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination case.

[justin williams]

You've ot to have all the facts straight at least in your own mind,
including the facts related  to law in order to educate.  You store
owner/manager may only need you to sit them down and educate them, but have
all of your tools ready to go.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:50 PM
To: Aleeha Dudley; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination
case.

I don't think going the legal route is being suggested, as much as knowing
the law that supports the right to reasonable accommodation.

>From Mike's description, and I realize this is secondhand, it sounded like
Ryan may not have been willing to dialogue, but hard to tell from our end.

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: Aleeha Dudley via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:30 PM
To: David Andrews ; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination
case.

Why must we immediately jump to legal solutions? I am in favor of a gentle
conversation first, followed by complaints, and, in the most extreme cases,
legal action. It is not appropriate to pursue legal action right from the
get-go. It just makes it worse image for the rest of us, and requires us to
work harder to seem like reasonable individuals.

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a
horse's ears." Arabian proverb

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> On Aug 17, 2014, at 6:03 PM, David Andrews via blindtlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the ADA does require that they provide 
> you with assistance.  You might have to show some flexibility, which 
> you did by calling ahead, but they can't outright refuse you.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:42 PM 8/17/2014, you wrote:
>> Hello NFB!
>> I am coming to you to first of all, appologize for my bitterness.  
>> For those who know me, I was very bitter about the NFB and its practices.
>> After this weekend, and my experience with another organization, I 
>> realize, that nfb is where I belong.
>> Please see the following incident that did happen to me this past week.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> I would like to discuss an incident which occured this past wednesday.
>>> I called a local grocery store, crossroads county market at or about
>>> 3:00
>>> A.M. I spoke to a gentleman, curtus, and asked if I could obtain 
>>> shoppers assistance in an hour, as I am totally blind, and just 
>>> needed a few items.
>>> He said that he would assist me, and to come on in.  I called metro 
>>> cab, and was transported to the store.  When I arived, curtus was at 
>>> the counter, and stated to the manager, ryan, that I was here, and 
>>> he was going to help me shop.  Ryan immediately stopped him, and 
>>> told him that I needed to bring in an assistant.  I immediately told 
>>> him, that I don't just have assistance, and that they had helped me 
>>> shop in the past.  He said yes we do have people that help us, and 
>>> that if i can't bring in an assistant to arange one for later in the 
>>> day.  I told him impossible, and he stated that he has handicapped 
>>> friends who bring in assistance all the
>>> time.   I told him, that I am not his handicapped friends, and restated
>>> that they have helped me in the past, again, he said, his manager, 
>>> ryan aiers told him that they are not to help us, and that we needed 
>>> assistance.  I was outraged, and proceeded to call the Wausau police 
>>> department.  After officers arived, and spoke to ryan, he told them 
>>> that they are understaffed, and they again can not help me.
>>> The officers were very kind, and offered me a ride home.  Ryan told 
>>> the officers that I was still allowed in the store, as long as I 
>>> brought an assistant.
>>> Under the ADA, I believe there are clauses that protect our rights, 
>>> and outline certain things a store must provide to blind persons?
>>> Do I have a case in regards to discrimination?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Mike.
>> After posting this to the ACB lists, a lot of people supported my 
>> side, while the majority said I deserved it, that I should of 
>> prepared better, a lot of people over there were just very rude, and
really offended me.
>> I felt they just stood on the side-lines, I know the NFB stands up 
>> for what we believe, and that is what I am looking for in an 
>> organized movement.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike.
>
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
>
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