[Blindtlk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination case.

[Bryan Schulz]

hi,

Bryan has nothing to do withit.
he just said what has worked for him.
Bryan Schulz


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy Jones via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" 
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination 
case.


>I don't think going the legal route is being suggested, as much as knowing 
>the law that supports the right to reasonable accommodation.
>
> From Mike's description, and I realize this is secondhand, it sounded like 
> Ryan may not have been willing to dialogue, but hard to tell from our end.
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Aleeha Dudley via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:30 PM
> To: David Andrews ; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology,and a possible discrimination 
> case.
>
> Why must we immediately jump to legal solutions? I am in favor of a gentle 
> conversation first, followed by complaints, and, in the most extreme 
> cases, legal action. It is not appropriate to pursue legal action right 
> from the get-go. It just makes it worse image for the rest of us, and 
> requires us to work harder to seem like reasonable individuals.
>
> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian 
> proverb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 6:03 PM, David Andrews via blindtlk 
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, the ADA does require that they provide you 
>> with assistance.  You might have to show some flexibility, which you did 
>> by calling ahead, but they can't outright refuse you.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 12:42 PM 8/17/2014, you wrote:
>>> Hello NFB!
>>> I am coming to you to first of all, appologize for my bitterness.  For 
>>> those who know me, I was very bitter about the NFB and its practices. 
>>> After this weekend, and my experience with another organization, I 
>>> realize, that nfb is where I belong.
>>> Please see the following incident that did happen to me this past week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> I would like to discuss an incident which occured this past wednesday.
>>>> I called a local grocery store, crossroads county market at or about 
>>>> 3:00
>>>> A.M. I spoke to a gentleman, curtus, and asked if I could obtain 
>>>> shoppers
>>>> assistance in an hour, as I am totally blind, and just needed a few 
>>>> items.
>>>> He said that he would assist me, and to come on in.  I called metro 
>>>> cab,
>>>> and was transported to the store.  When I arived, curtus was at the
>>>> counter, and stated to the manager, ryan, that I was here, and he was
>>>> going to help me shop.  Ryan immediately stopped him, and told him that 
>>>> I
>>>> needed to bring in an assistant.  I immediately told him, that I don't
>>>> just have assistance, and that they had helped me shop in the past.  He
>>>> said yes we do have people that help us, and that if i can't bring in 
>>>> an
>>>> assistant to arange one for later in the day.  I told him impossible, 
>>>> and
>>>> he stated that he has handicapped friends who bring in assistance all 
>>>> the
>>>> time.   I told him, that I am not his handicapped friends, and restated
>>>> that they have helped me in the past, again, he said, his manager, ryan
>>>> aiers told him that they are not to help us, and that we needed
>>>> assistance.  I was outraged, and proceeded to call the Wausau police
>>>> department.  After officers arived, and spoke to ryan, he told them 
>>>> that
>>>> they are understaffed, and they again can not help me.
>>>> The officers were very kind, and offered me a ride home.  Ryan told the
>>>> officers that I was still allowed in the store, as long as I brought an
>>>> assistant.
>>>> Under the ADA, I believe there are clauses that protect our rights, and
>>>> outline certain things a store must provide to blind persons?
>>>> Do I have a case in regards to discrimination?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Mike.
>>> After posting this to the ACB lists, a lot of people supported my side, 
>>> while the majority said I deserved it, that I should of prepared better, 
>>> a lot of people over there were just very rude, and really offended me.
>>> I felt they just stood on the side-lines, I know the NFB stands up for 
>>> what we believe, and that is what I am looking for in an organized 
>>> movement.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike.
>>
>>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
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