[Blindtlk] a sincere apology, and a possible discrimination case.

Tue Aug 19 01:52:54 UTC 2014

I quite agree with you Judy.  Somehow we have to get out image to reflect 
the good we do, not the lawsuits.  I am hoping the  community  service group 
can help change the image in communities everywhere about the blind and  the 
NFB.

Ericka

-----Original Message----- 
From: Judy Jones via blindtlk
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 6:36 PM
To: gwunder at earthlink.net ; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere apology,and a possible discrimination 
case.

I firmly believe that thousands of problems are solved each day by thousands
of blind persons, through negotiation and diplomacy.  These are issues one
never hears about, as they are solved.  Because one hears about the law
suits and legal cases, makes it seem like that's what the NFB does all the
time, not true.

Judy

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gary Wunder via blindtlk
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:00 AM
To: 'Aleeha Dudley' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere apology,and a possible discrimination
case.

Hi, Aleeha. I agree that talking should always precede legal action. Of
course, it doesn't hurt to know what one's rights are before having that
talk. Unfortunately there are times when we have to file a suit in order to
get the attention of the people who refuse to talk to us until they find we
are rattling their cage. I think many people wrongly believe that we sue
first and ask questions later. Our lawsuits come after attempts to
negotiate, and, as you will learn from the August September issue of the
Braille Monitor, being involved in lawsuits doesn't always require that we
be adversarial. See what the legal counsel from the University of Montana
has to say about the team that swooped in to work with them.

Warmly,

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
Dudley via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 9:31 PM
To: David Andrews; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a sincere appology, and a possible discrimination
case.

Why must we immediately jump to legal solutions? I am in favor of a gentle
conversation first, followed by complaints, and, in the most extreme cases,
legal action. It is not appropriate to pursue legal action right from the
get-go. It just makes it worse image for the rest of us, and requires us to
work harder to seem like reasonable individuals.

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of
blind students Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind of Heaven is that which
blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb

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> On Aug 17, 2014, at 6:03 PM, David Andrews via blindtlk
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the ADA does require that they provide you
with assistance.  You might have to show some flexibility, which you did by
calling ahead, but they can't outright refuse you.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:42 PM 8/17/2014, you wrote:
>> Hello NFB!
>> I am coming to you to first of all, appologize for my bitterness.  For
those who know me, I was very bitter about the NFB and its practices.  After
this weekend, and my experience with another organization, I realize, that
nfb is where I belong.
>> Please see the following incident that did happen to me this past week.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> I would like to discuss an incident which occured this past wednesday.
>>> I called a local grocery store, crossroads county market at or about
>>> 3:00 A.M. I spoke to a gentleman, curtus, and asked if I could
>>> obtain shoppers assistance in an hour, as I am totally blind, and just
needed a few items.
>>> He said that he would assist me, and to come on in.  I called metro
>>> cab, and was transported to the store.  When I arived, curtus was at
>>> the counter, and stated to the manager, ryan, that I was here, and
>>> he was going to help me shop.  Ryan immediately stopped him, and
>>> told him that I needed to bring in an assistant.  I immediately told
>>> him, that I don't just have assistance, and that they had helped me
>>> shop in the past.  He said yes we do have people that help us, and
>>> that if i can't bring in an assistant to arange one for later in the
>>> day.  I told him impossible, and he stated that he has handicapped
friends who bring in assistance all the
>>> time.   I told him, that I am not his handicapped friends, and restated
>>> that they have helped me in the past, again, he said, his manager,
>>> ryan aiers told him that they are not to help us, and that we needed
>>> assistance.  I was outraged, and proceeded to call the Wausau police
>>> department.  After officers arived, and spoke to ryan, he told them
>>> that they are understaffed, and they again can not help me.
>>> The officers were very kind, and offered me a ride home.  Ryan told
>>> the officers that I was still allowed in the store, as long as I
>>> brought an assistant.
>>> Under the ADA, I believe there are clauses that protect our rights,
>>> and outline certain things a store must provide to blind persons?
>>> Do I have a case in regards to discrimination?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Mike.
>> After posting this to the ACB lists, a lot of people supported my side,
while the majority said I deserved it, that I should of prepared better, a
lot of people over there were just very rude, and really offended me.
>> I felt they just stood on the side-lines, I know the NFB stands up for
what we believe, and that is what I am looking for in an organized movement.
>> Thanks,
>> Mike.
>
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
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