[Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Thu May 15 05:19:03 UTC 2014

Hi,
Ray, you have certainly helped many people with recording equipment, smart
phones etc, and that has been very valuable and helpful. You are techier
than I am and you are one of the people I reach out to with techy questions.
In fact, I will be sending you a techy question very soon; perhaps even this
evening.
Thanks
Lauren 

Philippians 4:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever
things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things
are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Campbell via blindtlk
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:10 AM
To: 'Judy Jones'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Good morning all,I
Like to take an optimistic view on things, and I believe that everyone
contributes to the betterment of the world in our own way.
We may not always think of things such as giving advice on how o use a
certain product or an app as a contribution, but if it helps someone, I say
that it is worth something.

Just some thoughts.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
via blindtlk
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:34 AM
To: Lauren Merryfield; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

You've said it all and so elloquently, what really matters, and you are
right.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: Lauren Merryfield via blindtlk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:15 AM
To: gwunder at earthlink.net ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Hi,
I understand one of Ray's points. It sounds like the priest had low
expectations of Ray because he is blind. That can feel really disappointing,
when we know better. But his showing up every Sunday actually is important
and there are too many nowadays who do not do that.

Some blind people are met with those low expectations so often that they
take them on but feel bad about it, because somewhere in their hearts and
minds, they know they are capable of more, or they want more sighted people
to know that they, (blind people) are more capable, before their time is up.

Since most of us will not be remembered by hardly anyone--maybe not even by
our own extended families, we, as blind people, do often want to do
something in our lives that matters to the world and proves that we were
alive and capable beings. I've been guilty of having those desires.

But now I am not as concerned with the world, which is not going to really
accept me as an equal anytime in my lifetime. It just isn't going to happen.
But the One who created us wants us to focus on Him, not on the world, and
develop a stronger, holier relationship with Him. We can do that regardless
of what the world thinks, or doesn't think of us. We may never be on the map
in the world but we can be "on the map" with Him, and that to me, anyway, is
what really matters.
Blessings,
Lauren

Philippians 4:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever
things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things
are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
advice from my cats: "meow when you feel like it."
curious about Thirty-One? New summer lineup now available:
www.LettingTheCatOutOfTheBag.com
Purchase my new book:there's more than one way to be okay at:
www.TheresMoreThanOneWay.com
Cat lovers, please visit me at:
www.catlines.com

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
via blindtlk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:21 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Hello, Ray. My comment is philosophical and has nothing whatsoever to do
with blindness.

You say that mere existence is not enough, and at one level I agree with
you. On the other hand, I have known a good number of kind, generous, and
thoughtful people who lament the fact that they have made no contribution to
the world. What they usually mean by this is that they will not be
remembered in the same way that Abraham Lincoln or George Washington will be
remembered. If that is really the standard, most of us will never make it.
We will be known for a time in the small ponds in which we swam, but how
many of us make changes on the world stage that will get our names etched
into stones that people see or books that people read?

I grew up thinking that my life would only have meaning if I could do
something heroic like John Wayne did in all of his movies. The heroic event
has yet to come along, but I wonder if the magic of making a difference
really is in getting up every day, doing the good that you can for other
people, and bringing to the world what it is that God has given you to
bring. One of those good and kind people who has spent considerable time
wondering about the purpose of his life is my best friend. Is this
meaningful, and, if I am someone's best friend, is this also meaningful?
you know, I do not throw this out to be argumentative. I would just like
others to think with me about what it means to have had a meaningful life
and may be to extend the discussion beyond the perceptions that people have
about blindness.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 9:00 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: [Blindtlk] matters of belief: was: Re: Getting Lost

Well, being catholic myself, my faith informs me that God has a purpose for
both blind and sighted folks.  I do not believe that mere existance is
enough of a life purpose for us.  I once complained to a priest that I had
felt that I had not yet fulfilled my purpose in life and had yet to do
anything which really made a difference.  Father said in reply to me, "Well,
you show up every weekend and that's an inspiration to us all.".

Y'all, I'm sorry, but, for me, that's just not enough and certainly not what
I was looking for.  My belief is that my time will eventially come:
and, when it does, God help anybody in my way.

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On May 2, 2014, at 8:43 AM, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Well when I get members of religious organizations that come to my 
> home on
a daily bases, and no offense to our Brothers and Sisters that are reading
this , and I don't shut my door on anyone who is offering me a kindly
gesture or wants to talk about religion.
> When they find out I am blind, they take me by the hand, and say you 
> poor
thing, you must pray to god and be a faithful person, and god will restore
your sight, don't you know the story of how "Jesus can make the blind see
again". I in turn thank them, and I say I am a faithful person.
> But, I also say that means also that Jesus makes the blind see, by 
> opening
the eyes of the sighted to the faith as well.  Blind people are very
faithful depending on their religious background I am Jewish, and my husband
is Catholic.
>
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>> From: blind411 at verizon.net
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:26:54 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Getting Lost
>>
>> Arielle,
>> Whenever someone offers to pray for me because I am blind, I
generally offer to pray for them because they are ignorant. I know that this
might offend them; however, their ignorance is just as offensive!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:02 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Getting Lost
>>
>> When I was in college, I was studying outside when a random guy came 
>> up
and asked directions to another building. My cane was on the ground, and he
didn't realize I was blind until I was midway giving directions. Then he
suddenly started offering me money and healing prayers, and it took me a
while to get rid of him. I realized later that I should have asked him to
pray for a good grade on my test instead of healing, but I digress. Anyway
I'm not sure if he found the building he was looking for. It's a shame
people would dismiss good, clear directions just because they come from a
blind person.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 5/1/14, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7706 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Quite funny.  Reminds me of a story that Carle Jacobson told of a 
>>> waitress who told him that she was going to put the water in the 
>>> smaller glass and the seven-up in the larger so he could tell the
>>> difference:  but, ironically, it was she who could not tell in which 
>>> glass the water was and in which the drink was.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> I perform a song called, "I'm Not Lost; I am Exploring". I 
>>>> generally introduce the song by sharing a story told once by Dr.
>>>> Abraham Nemeth while he was waiting for a bus in a crowded city.
>>>> Two
guys approached Dr.
>>>> Nemeth and asked for directions. They were given very precise 
>>>> turn-by-turn directions to their destination. As they turned to 
>>>> walk away, one guy said to the other, "We might want to ask someone
else; that guy's blind!" Dr.
>>>> Nemeth replied, "Yes! I am blind; but I'm not the one who is lost!"
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> directions
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Julie J
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 3:18 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> Yes, absolutely!  Sighted folks get lost too.  Coincidentally I 
>>>> just gave directions to a sighted lady trying to find my office
building.
>>>> She was close enough, I'd think she could see it from where she 
>>>> was, but I was able to get her here.
>>>>
>>>> Getting lost is no big thing.  The important part is having the 
>>>> skills and state of mind to get yourself unlost.  I've been lost my 
>>>> fair share and it's no fun, but it isn't the end of the world wither.
>>>>
>>>> And you can still get lost with a dog.  I've done that too.    For some
>>>> odd reason sighted people think the dog knows where to go and you 
>>>> have a poorly trained dog if you get lost.  Not true, the dog just 
>>>> follows directions.  If I tell him to go the wrong way, he's going 
>>>> to
do it.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On May 1, 2014, at 1:52 PM, "Mark Tardif"
>>>>> <markspark at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody can get lost, even if you have excellent mobility.  I can 
>>>>> tell you about some of my getting lost experiences, and I think I 
>>>>> have excellent mobility skills.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 1:25 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Guide Dogs
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering who on this list has guide dogs? I'm currently 
>>>>> applying for one through Guide Dogs for the Blind, and am curious 
>>>>> how difficult it is generally to get into one of these schools.
>>>>> How good does your mobility need to be? I have always been told I 
>>>>> have good mobility, but today I got lost coming home from 
>>>>> somewhere
and it discouraged me a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also which do you think is the best school? I've heard a lot of 
>>>>> good things about Guide Dogs for the Blind so decided to apply there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Brandon
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