[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Mon Sep 8 21:54:48 UTC 2014

Hi, Steve, and everyone,

I don't think it is very smart if clicking indeed, is the sound that 
works best to perform echolocation, that one wouldn't use it for a 
simple feer of what people might think?
Car (smiles)

>Judy
>
>
>-----Original Message----- From: justin williams via blindtlk
>Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:13 PM
>To: 'Steve Jacobson' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>
>Another way is to clear your throat; don't be all ridiculous and over do it,
>but it also works.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>Jacobson via blindtlk
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 10:25 PM
>To: Christine Olivares via blindtlk
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>
>Part of the challenge is that one feels a little conspicuous clicking
>sometimes as that is sometimes associated with other developmental
>disabilities.  It is too bad in a way because it is effective.  I have found
>that I can get some of the same information, though, from the tapping of my
>cane, snapping my fingers, and from rattling keys.  I have sometimes thought
>that some sort of electronic sound source could be developed that could be
>even more effective and also more socially acceptable.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>
>On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:23:10 -0400, Christine Olivares via blindtlk wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>>I have a totally blind friend who uses echo location but he does not
>>click. He will use his foot and stamp on the ground or floor. On the
>>other hand, my
>husband is also blind and he doesnt need to click with his tongue. He can
>hearbuildings or objects approach, which would prevent him from running
>into them. In college, we had to cross a driveway. when I was with him, I
>would ask, Is there a car today?Nine times out of ten he could tell if a
>car was blocking the path, which I could see so I could verify it.
>
>>I think different people can access this echo location different ways,
>>and maybe it is just easier for some people to click. I cant judge it
>>as I dont have
>this skill.
>
>>God bless,
>>Christine
>>On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Larry Wayland via blindtlk
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>>>Yes, object perception works, but I don't think it works to the point
>>>some of these people who clame to use echoLocation does. I agree the
>>>tapping of the cane should work just as well and be much more acceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
>>>Jones via blindtlk
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:26 PM
>>>To: Chris Nusbaum; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>>>
>>>To my mind, the clicking required is not socially acceptable.  I'm a
>>>firm believer in object perception, though, and that it works.  Plus
>>>the fact, the tapping of a cane can substitute for clicking.  Just my
>opinion.
>>>
>>>Judy
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM
>>>To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>>>
>>>I don't get it, but I know people who have attained quite a bit of
>>>skill in echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal friend and
>>>one of the people who pioneered the concept, it's a learned skill and not
>a natural talent.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Larry Wayland via blindtlk
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM
>>>To: 'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
>>>right attitude out
>>>
>>>Some of the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in my opinion,
>>>way above the capability of the human ear.  This is probably going to
>>>be another one of these false things we have to explain all the time
>>>along with not having super hearing, identifying dollar bills, and colors
>by touch.
>>>Larry
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM
>>>To: Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
>>>right attitude out
>>>
>>>hi,
>>>
>>>when sighted people didn't understand why you were clucking, did
>>>anyone ask if you lay eggs?
>>>even i have learned that it is better for someone to see you with a
>>>cane instead of looking like a drunk!
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>To: "Christine Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>List"
>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk
>>>Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Cc: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
>>>right attitude out
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good morning, Christine,
>>>>
>>>>        In elementary school although I am a total, I, too, never
>>>>used a cane finding that my orientation of the schools lay-out,
>>>>coupled with echolocation was enough to get me around. I bet you
>>>>also have pretty refined echolocation?
>>>>for today, Car
>>>>impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have mentioned, I am
>>>>from a small town born and raised. This means I am very familiar
>>>>with my surroundings so I don't always use my cane. Judging someone
>>>>because he/she is blind is ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>>>I think this whole thing of asking someone to move is awful unless
>>>>>it's an emergency. I think we should never judge someone. How would
>>>>>you like if someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're not
>>>>>blind." Eric, would you like that? I don't think you would
>>>>>appreciate being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only
>>>>>that, but she is a
>>>woman for Gosh sakes.
>>>>>Where is the respect men should give women? Chivalry has gone right
>>>>>out the window, but that's a discussion for another day.
>>>>>
>>>>>God bless,
>>>>>Christine
>>>>>On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk
>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI
>>>>>>Since when does not having a cane mean that you aren't
>>>>>blind.  Very very judgmental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Marsha
>>>>>>
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