[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Wed Sep 10 12:20:04 UTC 2014

Good morning, SteveAt 08:13 PM 9/7/2014, justin williams via blindtlk wrote:
>Another way is to clear your throat; don't be all ridiculous and over do it,
>but it also works.
>
>Good morning, Steve, and everyone,


It's just a subtle click, no need to make a big production out of it. 
I mean, I know that any sound will due, don't need even to make a 
fully formed click. Just sort of sucking your tongue has a same 
effect. And, is there something wrong with develop
mental problems?
Car
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>Jacobson via blindtlk
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 10:25 PM
>To: Christine Olivares via blindtlk
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>
>Part of the challenge is that one feels a little conspicuous clicking
>sometimes as that is sometimes associated with other developmental
>disabilities.  It is too bad in a way because it is effective.  I have found
>that I can get some of the same information, though, from the tapping of my
>cane, snapping my fingers, and from rattling keys.  I have sometimes thought
>that some sort of electronic sound source could be developed that could be
>even more effective and also more socially acceptable.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>
>On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:23:10 -0400, Christine Olivares via blindtlk wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >I have a totally blind friend who uses echo location but he does not
> >click. He will use his foot and stamp on the ground or floor. On the
> >other hand, my
>husband is also blind and he doesnt need to click with his tongue. He can
>hearbuildings or objects approach, which would prevent him from running
>into them. In college, we had to cross a driveway. when I was with him, I
>would ask, Is there a car today?Nine times out of ten he could tell if a
>car was blocking the path, which I could see so I could verify it.
>
> >I think different people can access this echo location different ways,
> >and maybe it is just easier for some people to click. I cant judge it
> >as I dont have
>this skill.
>
> >God bless,
> >Christine
> >On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Larry Wayland via blindtlk
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> >> Yes, object perception works, but I don't think it works to the point
> >> some of these people who clame to use echoLocation does. I agree the
> >> tapping of the cane should work just as well and be much more acceptable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> >> Jones via blindtlk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:26 PM
> >> To: Chris Nusbaum; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> >>
> >> To my mind, the clicking required is not socially acceptable.  I'm a
> >> firm believer in object perception, though, and that it works.  Plus
> >> the fact, the tapping of a cane can substitute for clicking.  Just my
>opinion.
> >>
> >> Judy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM
> >> To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> >>
> >> I don't get it, but I know people who have attained quite a bit of
> >> skill in echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal friend and
> >> one of the people who pioneered the concept, it's a learned skill and not
>a natural talent.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Larry Wayland via blindtlk
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM
> >> To: 'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> right attitude out
> >>
> >> Some of the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in my opinion,
> >> way above the capability of the human ear.  This is probably going to
> >> be another one of these false things we have to explain all the time
> >> along with not having super hearing, identifying dollar bills, and colors
>by touch.
> >> Larry
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM
> >> To: Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> right attitude out
> >>
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> when sighted people didn't understand why you were clucking, did
> >> anyone ask if you lay eggs?
> >> even i have learned that it is better for someone to see you with a
> >> cane instead of looking like a drunk!
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> To: "Christine Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>List"
> >> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk
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> >> Cc: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> right attitude out
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good morning, Christine,
> >>>
> >>>        In elementary school although I am a total, I, too, never
> >>> used a cane finding that my orientation of the schools lay-out,
> >>> coupled with echolocation was enough to get me around. I bet you
> >>> also have pretty refined echolocation?
> >>> for today, Car
> >>> impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have mentioned, I am
> >>> from a small town born and raised. This means I am very familiar
> >>> with my surroundings so I don't always use my cane. Judging someone
> >>> because he/she is blind is ridiculous.
> >>>
> >>>> I think this whole thing of asking someone to move is awful unless
> >>>> it's an emergency. I think we should never judge someone. How would
> >>>> you like if someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're not
> >>>> blind." Eric, would you like that? I don't think you would
> >>>> appreciate being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only
> >>>> that, but she is a
> >> woman for Gosh sakes.
> >>>> Where is the respect men should give women? Chivalry has gone right
> >>>> out the window, but that's a discussion for another day.
> >>>>
> >>>> God bless,
> >>>> Christine
> >>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk
> >>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> HI
> >>>>> Since when does not having a cane mean that you aren't
> >>>> blind.  Very very judgmental.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Marsha
> >>>>>
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