[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Wed Sep 10 17:00:55 UTC 2014

Good morning, Steve, and everyone,

No, I definitely felt it pretty egregious hearing about the guy whom 
asked someone to give up their seat, for him to sit? That's one 
thing, but, so far as I can see, Ol'Sighty casts his assessments of 
us according to how we act personally. So, clicking, I don't think, 
would suggest anything more bizarre than a way  blind people are cast anyway.
CarAt 09:42 AM 9/10/2014, Steve Jacobson via blindtlk wrote:
>Car,
>
>There is nothing right or wrong about any disability, developmental 
>or otherwise.  No disability benefits, though, by having attributed 
>to them disabilities they don't have.  The idea that if you are 
>blind you can't
>stand up on a full bus is an example of how the public can assume 
>that if you have a disability that you must have others as well.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 05:20:04 -0700, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>
> >Good morning, SteveAt 08:13 PM 9/7/2014, justin williams via blindtlk wrote:
> >>Another way is to clear your throat; don't be all ridiculous and 
> over do it,
> >>but it also works.
> >>
> >>Good morning, Steve, and everyone,
>
>
> >It's just a subtle click, no need to make a big production out of it.
> >I mean, I know that any sound will due, don't need even to make a
> >fully formed click. Just sort of sucking your tongue has a same
> >effect. And, is there something wrong with develop
> >mental problems?
> >Car
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> >>Jacobson via blindtlk
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 10:25 PM
> >>To: Christine Olivares via blindtlk
> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> >>
> >>Part of the challenge is that one feels a little conspicuous clicking
> >>sometimes as that is sometimes associated with other developmental
> >>disabilities.  It is too bad in a way because it is effective.  I 
> have found
> >>that I can get some of the same information, though, from the tapping of my
> >>cane, snapping my fingers, and from rattling keys.  I have 
> sometimes thought
> >>that some sort of electronic sound source could be developed that could be
> >>even more effective and also more socially acceptable.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Steve Jacobson
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:23:10 -0400, Christine Olivares via blindtlk wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hello all,
> >> >I have a totally blind friend who uses echo location but he does not
> >> >click. He will use his foot and stamp on the ground or floor. On the
> >> >other hand, my
> >>husband is also blind and he doesnt need to click with his tongue. He can
> >>hearbuildings or objects approach, which would prevent him from running
> >>into them. In college, we had to cross a driveway. when I was with him, I
> >>would ask, Is there a car today?Nine times out of ten he could tell if a
> >>car was blocking the path, which I could see so I could verify it.
> >>
> >> >I think different people can access this echo location different ways,
> >> >and maybe it is just easier for some people to click. I cant judge it
> >> >as I dont have
> >>this skill.
> >>
> >> >God bless,
> >> >Christine
> >> >On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Larry Wayland via blindtlk
> >><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Yes, object perception works, but I don't think it works to the point
> >> >> some of these people who clame to use echoLocation does. I agree the
> >> >> tapping of the cane should work just as well and be much more 
> acceptable.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
> >> >> Jones via blindtlk
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:26 PM
> >> >> To: Chris Nusbaum; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> >> >>
> >> >> To my mind, the clicking required is not socially acceptable.  I'm a
> >> >> firm believer in object perception, though, and that it works.  Plus
> >> >> the fact, the tapping of a cane can substitute for clicking.  Just my
> >>opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >> Judy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM
> >> >> To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> >> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't get it, but I know people who have attained quite a bit of
> >> >> skill in echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal friend and
> >> >> one of the people who pioneered the concept, it's a learned 
> skill and not
> >>a natural talent.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >> Larry Wayland via blindtlk
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM
> >> >> To: 'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> >> right attitude out
> >> >>
> >> >> Some of the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in my opinion,
> >> >> way above the capability of the human ear.  This is probably going to
> >> >> be another one of these false things we have to explain all the time
> >> >> along with not having super hearing, identifying dollar 
> bills, and colors
> >>by touch.
> >> >> Larry
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >> Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM
> >> >> To: Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> >> right attitude out
> >> >>
> >> >> hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> when sighted people didn't understand why you were clucking, did
> >> >> anyone ask if you lay eggs?
> >> >> even i have learned that it is better for someone to see you with a
> >> >> cane instead of looking like a drunk!
> >> >> Bryan Schulz
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> To: "Christine Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing
> >>List"
> >> >> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk
> >> >> Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Cc: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the
> >> >> right attitude out
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Good morning, Christine,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>        In elementary school although I am a total, I, too, never
> >> >>> used a cane finding that my orientation of the schools lay-out,
> >> >>> coupled with echolocation was enough to get me around. I bet you
> >> >>> also have pretty refined echolocation?
> >> >>> for today, Car
> >> >>> impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have mentioned, I am
> >> >>> from a small town born and raised. This means I am very familiar
> >> >>> with my surroundings so I don't always use my cane. Judging someone
> >> >>> because he/she is blind is ridiculous.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I think this whole thing of asking someone to move is awful unless
> >> >>>> it's an emergency. I think we should never judge someone. How would
> >> >>>> you like if someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're not
> >> >>>> blind." Eric, would you like that? I don't think you would
> >> >>>> appreciate being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only
> >> >>>> that, but she is a
> >> >> woman for Gosh sakes.
> >> >>>> Where is the respect men should give women? Chivalry has gone right
> >> >>>> out the window, but that's a discussion for another day.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> God bless,
> >> >>>> Christine
> >> >>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk
> >> >>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> HI
> >> >>>>> Since when does not having a cane mean that you aren't
> >> >>>> blind.  Very very judgmental.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Marsha
> >> >>>>>
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