[Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Heather Field
missheather at comcast.net
Sun Nov 1 03:09:29 UTC 2015
Hello Christine,
Well, this e-mail exchange of thoughts and possible solutions has turned out
to be very informative. I had not thought of taking a photocopy of the card
and blowing it up to be read by one of the reader apps. Although one must be
careful to delete the image on today's modern computerised photocopiers
since it is stored on the machine.
Regarding the possible reading of the stamped information from the back of
the card, I have checked with a friend and, you are quite correct. The
information that is stamped on credit and debit cards is legible from the
back. The number, card-holder's name, and the expiration date are all able
to be read from the back of the card, they are just backwards to the reader.
Anyone could take a photo and they would, indeed, have all the information.
So, it would seem safest only to ask people in person, so they would tell
one the three digit security code and the card could immediately be
withdrawn from view. I can totally understand how one would feel the need to
be cautious on Be My Eyes, but personally, if I was in a pinch, I might try
it, trusting to the brevity of the conversation to prevent any taking of
photos.
As I said, each to their own level of risk-taking. And, as mother always
said, better to be safe than sorry.
Warmly,
Heather
From: Szostak, Christine via blindtlk
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Hi,
I guess a part of why I am concerned about doing it with something like Be
My Eyes is that even the developer of that app has explicitly and
emphatically stated that users should NOT show anything personal (he gave
examples of: any part at all of a credit card and mail that is personally
identifying...) as the sighted members of the app are not specifically
pre-screened) so it is not safe to do so. In other words, it is the same
idea as just taking a picture of that part of your credit card, posting it
to the public part of your Facebook page or twitter account, and saying, can
anyone out there read this for me.
Have a great weekend,
Chris
Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
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Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
I think if you become that paranoid about getting sighted assistance, then
you are going to have a lot of things not read. If you give your card to a
waiter, if you hand it to someone to run on an inaccessible ATM machine, if
you put it in an ATM machine and someone has a skimmer behind you, someone
can get your information. You just have to be watching for it to happen as I
did. You really don't want to live like this. In the amount of time you are
spending trying to find a way to read it, you can have had it read and you
can be pretty sure it was read accurately. Mostly the volunteers on
bemyeyes.org are fairly likely to be trustworthy, and if they are not, then
they will surely be banned. I hope one day we can easily read these cards,
but I think currently, you just have to go with good old trust.
Cindy Lou Ray
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Christine via blindtlk
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Cc: Szostak, Christine <szostak.1 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Hi,
That is a good point, however, I am assuming, and maybe this is wrong, but
because the letters are raised and you can feel their indentations in the
back side, I would assume that someone using the other end of the Be My Eyes
app could take a picture of the back of your card (say with someone else'
iPhone while talking with you)...) of what you are showing them and be able
to figure out that info. Since your credit card or bank's name along with
the letters ATM are on the back of the card, if they can see the letter
indentations from the front side, they now have all of your info (credit
card number, possibly date of expiration, security code, and card type and
possibly bank location. As I said, my assumption here may be completely
wrong.
have a great weekend all,
Chris
Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Field via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Hello Christine,
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. In my experience, the
pin number is sent in a separate envelope from the ATM card. So, the pin
number never appears on the card of the paper to which the card comes
attached. The pin number is not associated with any other numbers on the
sheet it appears on. So, in my experience, there is no pin number on a card.
It sounds to me as if what you are wanting is the three digit security code,
not a pin number.
If it's the security code, then this typically appears on the back of the
card. So, nobody you asked to read the security code to you would be able to
see the numbers and other identifying bank information that is written on
the front of the card.
In a situation like this, I'd be much happier to use a stranger on Be My
Eyes than I would be to use a neighbour, since a stranger on the other side
of this appw would have no other info than three little numbers which they
read out. Besides, one can use Be My Eyes from the comfort of your own home.
I wouldn't use a service like Be My Eyes dot ORG to read all the info on the
front of the card, since that includes the card number and the expiration
date. However, I'd be fine about having them read the three numbers of the
security code from the back.
Seems to me, these days, that using a card to shop online or to pay in a
store or restaurant is more risky than having a person read the three
numbers on the back of the card.
Just my thoughts, of course. Each to their own level of personal risk.
Warmly,
Heather
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From: Michael via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 4:28 PM
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I've never used it but the APP bemyeyes.org might give you the feedback you
are looking for.
Michael
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From: Szostak, Christine via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Hi,
Actually just an iPod:)!
Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie
Lucas via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:49 PM
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Cc: Bonnie Lucas <lucas.bonnie at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
Hi,
The one thing I can think of is that you could do face time or Skype with
someone if you have a phone, which you must since you tried KNFB reader,
and then they could look at the card.
Bonnie
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I am trying to get the pin off of my ATM card. Since I live alone and
> no where near family, I want to try to get this info myself rather
> than having to rely on a neighbor I do not know very well. However, my
> OpenBook and OCR apps (e.g., KNFB Reader...) can not read this info.
> Does anyone have solutions for how to get this info without any vision?
> Have a great weekend all!
> Chris
>
> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
> Assistant Professor of Psychology
> Department of Social Sciences
> Shorter University
> Rome, Georgia
> szostak.1 at osu.edu<mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>
> cszostak at shorter.edu
>
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