[Blindtlk] AT the Intersection of Money Identificationand Human behavior

Wed Aug 10 18:56:52 UTC 2016

Good afternoon, Judy,

         For me, there's nothing wrong with simply asking the cashier 
each time cash is involved.
CarAt 12:40 PM 3/7/2015, Judy Jones via blindtlk wrote:
>I always fold my money at the counter, and does not take long at all.
>
>Judy
>
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>-----Original Message----- From: Gary Wunder via blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:11 PM
>To: 'Chris Nusbaum' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] AT the Intersection of Money 
>Identificationand Human behavior
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>Hello, Chris. A couple of easy comments: most blind people I know would not
>offer somebody a 50 if the purchase they were trying to make was for $16. If
>I make a purchase for seven dollars, I normally give someone a 10. If I make
>a purchase for 13, I give them 15 or maybe a 20. It is certainly easy to
>argue that we may not have bills that are close to our purchase price, but
>it is a lot easier to do than one might think. If I want to break a big
>bill, I often do it in a place I frequent or in a place where there is a
>good size line, and seldom do I just pocket the money. I don't think it is
>too much to ask the clerk to tell me what bills he is handing me. I think it
>may be too much to wait until you are in the line to find your app, bring it
>up on the phone, and then test every bill.
>
>It is not always an easy call to know when it is your right to hold up a
>line and when it is your responsibility to see that that line moves along. I
>don't think there is any one-size-fits-all answer for these situations.
>
>As for the comment about taking your iPhone out in dangerous places, I
>suspect that someone who wants to rob you doesn't need the visual prompting
>that you have devices of value on your person. How many people travel
>without a cellular phone? I remember being in a bus station once and being
>warned that letting people see that I had a cellular phone could be
>dangerous. I wonder how many of these situations are less likely to happen
>now that people know that most cellular phones have cameras and that you may
>be just as likely of being in a face time call as you are a voice call. No
>matter how you cut it, if somebody wants your iPhone, give it up. It is far
>less valuable than any injury you might suffer. You have insurance to assure
>its replacement. You do not have the same guarantee about your life or the
>ability to restore things that might be broken in an assault. It goes
>against the testosterone that flows in my bloodstream to say this, but
>objects are only objects, and there are better fights to fight.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>Nusbaum via blindtlk
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:27 PM
>To: 'Bob Hachey'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] AT the Intersection of Money Identification and
>Human behavior
>
>Bob and All,
>
>What a fascinating video and ensuing discussion! As Arielle pointed out, it
>is likely that actual blind people getting ripped off by dishonest cashiers
>is more rare than the public makes it out to be. This is especially true
>considering the fact that most places in which money is transacted are
>public, so the unsuspecting blind person is likely to be "rescued" (I don't
>like using this term in this context, but it's the only one I can think of
>at the moment) from the scam by a concerned bystander. As some on this list
>have pointed out, however, this is not merely a hypothetical worst-case
>scenario--it has happened to real blind people in the real world.
>
>I for one have never been deliberately short-changed by anyone, though I
>have always been very conscientious about holding up the line behind me when
>transacting money. I have heard Dave's sentiments expressed by many in my
>personal life, both blind and sighted: Sort the money then and check its
>authenticity; don't worry about the line behind you. As I have improved my
>skill and speed in folding and organizing money in my wallet, I have
>progressed from stuffing change in my pocket and waiting to organize it
>until I'm home to folding and organizing the money while at the counter
>based on the information the clerk has given me. However, I have never been
>able to bring myself to check the accuracy of the clerk's information using
>a bill identifier while at the counter. As someone who uses the LookTell
>Money Reader app on my iPhone as my bill identifier of choice, I found
>myself on the few occasions on which I tried this method becoming more and
>more anxious about holding up the line as I pulled out my phone, found the
>app, opened it, lined up the camera and waited for the feedback. I just felt
>like I was becoming way too much of an inconvenience to my fellow shoppers.
>This anxiety was further compounded when I tried this on a recent trip to
>Baltimore, only to be warned by a passing good Samaritan that thieves in the
>city would rip my iPhone out of my hand if they saw it out in a public
>place. Risk, danger, more risk, and more danger!
>
>I don't know if there's a solution to this conundrum, but this constant
>choosing between the lesser of two evils is frustrating. I guess, like many
>other aspects of life, this is a matter of weighing the trade-offs. I am
>very concerned with not making myself an inconvenience, but at what point do
>I allow myself to sacrifice this anxiety in order to ensure that I have the
>correct change? The iPhone has opened up innumerable doors, including those
>which allow for greater access to otherwise inaccessible material, such as
>the Money Reader app for reading currency. However, those of us who live in
>or frequently travel to urban areas must always be wary of those who might
>want to steal our precious devices. And we must consider all this while
>videos like this one remind us that not all of the public, even those who
>are in the business of transacting money with customers, are as honest as we
>would wish they were. I have struggled with these things for some time now,
>but have never vented my frustrations to this list until this moment.
>However, the video which Bob posted and the discussion which resulted have
>inspired me to do it. Has anyone else delbt with these issues? If so, I
>would very much appreciate hearing all thoughts on reconciling these
>contradictory risks. Thanks for reading my rant. <Smile>
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hachey
>via blindtlk
>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:49 AM
>To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [Blindtlk] AT the Intersection of Money Identification and Human
>behavior
>
>Hi all,
>
>Below my name, please find a link to a truly fascinating YouTube video. Note
>that the blind people and clerks depicted here are actors and that this is
>an experiment in human behavior. How will bystanders react when a blind
>person is shortchanged because he or she cannot identify US currency? While
>it is nice that we can get free money identifiers from the BEP, how likely
>are we to use them when we are handed change and people are waiting behind
>us in line?
>
>Bob Hachey
>
>
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><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myyyqH4j634>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myyyqH4j634
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