[Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards

Carly Mihalakis carlymih at comcast.net
Fri Jan 8 14:27:12 UTC 2016 

Good morning, everyone,

         When someone tries to give me a business card, I ask them to 
E-nmail me the information displayed upon said card so I can then put 
it where I can find it.
You don't even need any of that social media noise!CarAt 03:43 AM 
11/1/2015, Cindy Ray via blindtlk wrote:
>Ah, sure, and I didn't mean to sound aggressive. I was just robbed in August
>and don't even know how. I will do things differently from how I have, but
>you do have to be vigilant, but you cannot totally make yourself safe. So
>Yeah, I do understand. I had the on-line thievery, too, and I think it was
>less secure then, but it will still happen, and more and more people have
>come to be able to hack. I doubt there are really good and easy answers, or
>maybe even hard ones.
>Cindy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Szostak,
>Christine via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:19 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Szostak, Christine <szostak.1 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Just my age I guess:). Not growing up with Facebook, Twitter, and the like
>and in an era when privacy was much more valued, I am just not all that
>comfortable with crowd sourcing and social media when it comes to things
>like  personally identifying info. Also given that I was robbed about a year
>ago, had a site where I had given some credit card info was hacked, and one
>place where I worked had personal information about finances... from many
>people at that place stolen, has made me much more cautious about my privacy
>and obviously much more paranoid (yep I admit and proudly accept that quirk
>in my personality).
>
>   Ok, done venting on the paranoid part of this topic. Those are my last two
>cents (and they are not from my credit card:))! Thus, I am jumping out of
>this part of the discussion as this  portion of the topic has the likelihood
>of growing agressive and I do not want to take this list in that direction
>as I value all of your opinions and love the list!
>Happy weekend all!
>Chris
>
>Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>Assistant Professor of Psychology
>Department of Social Sciences
>Shorter University
>Rome, Georgia
>szostak.1 at osu.edu
>cszostak at shorter.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:05 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Yes, but then my point is that you are probably going to either have to wait
>until you are with someone you trust or you are going to have to take the
>chance doing that, see if you can get a picture that you could show someone
>you know on-line, and of course you could be hacked anyway, or you have to
>go to the bank someday, hoping you can trust the person you have read it
>there. I understand how you feel about it, but I really think you are over
>thinking this. It could happen, yes. I had $200 stolen out of my bank
>account and don't know how, but you just sometimes have to take those
>chances or wait. I personally would prefer to take the chance, but that's
>just me.
>Cindy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Szostak,
>Christine via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:03 PM
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>Cc: Szostak, Christine <szostak.1 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Hi,
>   I guess a part of why I am concerned about doing it with something like Be
>My Eyes is that even the developer of that app has explicitly and
>emphatically stated that users should NOT show anything personal (he gave
>examples of: any part at all of a credit card and mail that is personally
>identifying...) as the sighted members of the app are  not specifically
>pre-screened) so it is not safe to do so. In other words, it is the same
>idea as just taking a picture of that part of your credit card, posting it
>to the public part of your Facebook page or twitter account, and saying, can
>anyone out there read this for me.
>Have a great weekend,
>Chris
>Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>Assistant Professor of Psychology
>Department of Social Sciences
>Shorter University
>Rome, Georgia
>szostak.1 at osu.edu
>cszostak at shorter.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:34 PM
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>Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>I think if you become that paranoid about getting sighted assistance, then
>you are going to have a lot of things not read. If you give your card to a
>waiter, if you hand it to someone to run on an inaccessible ATM machine, if
>you put it in an ATM machine and someone has a skimmer behind you, someone
>can get your information. You just have to be watching for it to happen as I
>did. You really don't want to live like this. In the amount of time you are
>spending trying to find a way to read it, you can have had it read and you
>can be pretty sure it was read accurately. Mostly the volunteers on
>bemyeyes.org are fairly likely to be trustworthy, and if they are not, then
>they will surely be banned. I hope one day we can easily read these cards,
>but I think currently, you just have to go with good old trust.
>Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Szostak,
>Christine via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:55 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Szostak, Christine <szostak.1 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Hi,
>   That is a good point, however, I am assuming, and maybe this is wrong, but
>because the letters are raised and you can feel their indentations in the
>back side, I would assume that someone using the other end of the Be My Eyes
>app could take a picture of the back of your card (say with someone else'
>iPhone while talking with you)...) of what you are showing them and be able
>to figure out that info. Since your credit card or bank's name along with
>the letters ATM are on the back of the card, if they can see the letter
>indentations from the front side, they now have all of your info (credit
>card number, possibly date of expiration, security code, and card type and
>possibly bank location. As I said, my assumption here may be completely
>wrong.
>have a great weekend all,
>Chris
>
>Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>Assistant Professor of Psychology
>Department of Social Sciences
>Shorter University
>Rome, Georgia
>szostak.1 at osu.edu
>cszostak at shorter.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>Field via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:10 PM
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>Cc: Heather Field <missheather at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Hello Christine,
>I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. In my experience, the
>pin number is sent in a separate envelope from the ATM card. So, the pin
>number never appears on the card of the paper to which the card comes
>attached. The pin number is not associated with any other numbers on the
>sheet it appears on. So, in my experience, there is no pin number on a card.
>
>It sounds to me as if what you are wanting is the three digit security code,
>not a pin number.
>
>If it's the security code, then this typically appears on the back of the
>card. So, nobody you asked to read the security code to you would be able to
>see the numbers and other identifying bank information that is written on
>the front of the card.
>In a situation like this, I'd be much happier to use a stranger on Be My
>Eyes than I would be to use a neighbour, since a stranger on the other side
>of this appw would have no other info than three little numbers which they
>read out. Besides, one can use Be My Eyes from the comfort of your own home.
>
>I wouldn't use a service like Be My Eyes dot ORG to read all the info on the
>front of the card, since that includes the card number and the expiration
>date. However, I'd be fine about having them read the three numbers of the
>security code from the back.
>Seems to me, these days, that using a card to shop online or to pay in a
>store or restaurant is more risky than having a person read the three
>numbers on the back of the card.
>Just my thoughts, of course. Each to their own level of personal risk.
>Warmly,
>Heather
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 4:28 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Cc: Michael
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>I've never used it but the APP bemyeyes.org might give you the feedback you
>are looking for.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Szostak, Christine via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:19 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Cc: Szostak, Christine
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Hi,
>   Actually just an iPod:)!
>
>Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>Assistant Professor of Psychology
>Department of Social Sciences
>Shorter University
>Rome, Georgia
>szostak.1 at osu.edu
>cszostak at shorter.edu
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie
>Lucas via blindtlk
>Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:49 PM
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>Cc: Bonnie Lucas <lucas.bonnie at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards
>
>Hi,
>The one thing I can think of is that you could do face time or Skype with
>someone if you have a phone, which you must since you  tried  KNFB  reader,
>and then they could look at the card.
>Bonnie
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk
> > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >  I am trying to get the pin off of my ATM card. Since I live alone and
> > no where near family, I want to try to get this info myself rather
> > than having to rely on a neighbor I do not know very well. However, my
> > OpenBook and OCR apps (e.g., KNFB Reader...) can not read this info.
> > Does anyone have solutions for how to get this info without any vision?
> > Have a great weekend all!
> > Chris
> >
> > Dr. Christine M. Szostak
> > Assistant Professor of Psychology
> > Department of Social Sciences
> > Shorter University
> > Rome, Georgia
> > szostak.1 at osu.edu<mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>
> > cszostak at shorter.edu
> >
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