[Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane

Thu Sep 1 04:27:04 UTC 2016

Hi,

The knowledge was nil 22 years ago.
Bryan

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:04 PM
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Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane

Did acb?  I inquired about some things from them in the past. Not once in my
forty some years did i get a return call!!! At least u get answers most of
the timefrom NFB.

Ericka Short
1750 Fordem Ave. #508
Madison. WI. 53704
608-665-3170

 from my iPhone 6s

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Tell me how great the nfb is when they can't stop the law from saying one
> third of the blame for an accident was the fault of the blind person just
> being there?
> The nfb didn't go to court for that case!
> Bryan
> 
> 
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> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
> Mihalakis via blindtlk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:45 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
> 
> Every day is white cane day!At 05:29 PM 10/2/2015, Ericka via blindtlk
> wrote:
>> Hi Bob and all
>> 
>> I love your idea of getting the DMV, police etc. involved. I just 
>> spoke to the aging and disability resource center today to inquire 
>> whether they were doing anything community education about White 
>> cane day coming up. When the lady at the desk gave me the Hem and 
>> haw over answering my question I figured the answer was no. She did 
>> give me the name of someone who does a lot of the community events. 
>> I love the notice for this Paula person and she did call me right 
>> back this afternoon. Unfortunately I was already at my next stop, 
>> the grocery store and missed the call. So we'll see how things go on 
>> Monday. We are having a fun and fit fair for people with 
>> disabilities coming up. Maybe this can be incorporated somehow 
>> although it's last minute. After all, walking in your community is 
>> not just independence and getting your mines done; it's also keeping 
>> yourself healthy and fit too. Many times doctors tell you to walk to 
>> lose weight etc. We can still hear the birds and the rustle of trees 
>> so there's benefit and it relates.
>> 
>> Ericka Short
>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Bob Hachey via blindtlk 
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I hear you loud and clear. Seems that driving in America is the fourth
>>> inalienable right, up there with life, liberty and the pursuit of 
>> happiness.
>>> While it is we the pedestrians who have been given this right by law in
>>> theory, in practice, the rights seem to go to the driver, no matter how
>>> careless or thoughtless that driver may be.
>>> Perhaps instead of raising a cane to call attention to ourselves 
>> we ought to
>>> raise Cain, (note spelling)
>>> And, I'm not joking.
>>> I love the idea of White cane day which is coming soon. But I wish we
> could
>>> be more successful at getting not just the usual folks from the
> Commission
>>> for the Blind involved, but the registry of motor vehicles, local
> police,
>>> etc.
>>> Bob Hachey
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Mark Tardif
>>> via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:28 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Mark Tardif
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>> 
>>> There is something about some people who, when they get behind the
> wheel,
>>> turn into creatures you and I wouldn't recognize.  Joking, but just
> barely.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark Tardif
>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Freeman via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:52 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>> 
>>> Arrielle:
>>> 
>>> I don't worry much about getting cars to conform to a certain behavior
>>> pattern because (and I'm joking here but not altogether) I 
>> consider the very
>>> act of getting behind the wheel tantamount to lowering one's IQ by fifty
>>> percent. Put less acidly, I figure I have little-to-no control over what
>>> cars do so I try to read their behavior as best I can and feel that the
>>> position my cane is in (other than aggressively sticking it out right as
> I
>>> start to cross) will have little influence on driver behavior.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>>> Silverman via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 2:04 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Arielle Silverman
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>> 
>>> Christine does use a cane, the issue is being told to hold the 
>> cane up while
>>> waiting to cross the street, as a signal, then putting it down and
> crossing
>>> with it. As to Mike's comment, How do sighted pedestrians signal that
> they
>>> are crossing, without a cane or a turn signal? I assume they use some
> form
>>> of body language. I consider extending my cane slightly in front 
>> of me to be
>>> an appropriate form of body language. Like Christine I don't see the
>>> additional value of raising my cane up off the ground. Further, I 
>> agree with
>>> what I think she was saying, which is that we want cars to drive
> normally
>>> rather than stopping in the intersection or doing other weird 
>> things because
>>> we are blind. If they depart from normal car behavior, they give us
>>> confusing information about whether or not it is safe to cross. 
>> Of course if
>>> I am in the middle of crossing I want cars to stop. That goes for any
>>> pedestrian, blind or sighted.
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 9/27/15, River Linda via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Are you saying you can see well enough to cross the street without
>>>> using a cane? Or, you just do not want to use it because you are
>>>> embarrassed to use it and you do not want the attention from people?
>>>> The cane is for your safety. As you have described holding your cane
>>>> vertically off the ground in front of you, the cars coming from behind
>>>> you will not see your cane. I was taught to keep the cane tip on the
>>>> ground and hold it out diagonally from you so that cars coming from all
>>> four directions can see it.
>>>> 
>>>> As for people grabbing you, you have to tell them how you want to be
>>>> treated. When people grab me, I tell them to wait and let me show you
>>>> how to help me. When people make that comment about me being amazing
>>>> because I can cut my food and eat it, I simply respond with "you, too".
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2015, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk <
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Ok, this might be a very odd question, but I was just thinking
>>>>> about this and to me, it  seems really illogical.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I was getting O&M to help with transitioning to a cane, every
>>>>> time we stopped at a curb to cross a street, the instructor would
>>>>> have me hold the cane directly in front of me and hold it up in the
>>>>> air vertically about
>>>>> 2-3 or so inches off the ground. The explanation given to me for this
>>>>> was so that others would see that I am blind and am using a cane.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The reasons that this seems a bit odd to me as a good practice are:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1)  I do not want a car to stop at a stop sign and wait for me to
>>>>> cross as I have always been taught not to trust in drivers that say,
>>>>> go ahead I will wait because they may not see other cars coming that
>>>>> could hit me if I follow their advice. Also, just because they stop,
>>>>> it does not mean that they see you so the signal you are assuming
>>>>> they are giving you, may not be the case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2)  I do not necessarily want to bring attention to my blindness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3)  I tend to look younger than I am and thus people, to my
>>>>> consternation, always try  to grab my arm... to help me. When I was
>>>>> in training for one of my prior guides, my instructor always joked
>>>>> that I was a really touchable person because total strangers would
>>>>> try to drag me across the street since they just assumed that I did
>>>>> not know  how to cross a street with a light:). This happens to me,
>>>>> regardless of whether it is with traffic or even in places like
>>>>> restaurants, total strangers will frequently grab my arm, put their
>>>>> arms around my shoulders... and tell me how amazing I am to be eating
>>>>> so well:). Since I really do not want this type of attention, I tend
>>>>> not to want  to use methods that are likely to induce it:). Since I
>>>>> could see holding a cane in the air as one good way to get this type
>>>>> of attention, I am not overly eager to keep up this practice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thus, do others here hold up their canes while standing on curbs
>>>>> and if so, what has been your experience with respect to the above
>>>>> issues? I really, personally do not like this practice as it would
>>>>> seem to me that if you are a competent traveler who follows the
>>>>> rules of the pedestrian and knows what you are doing, then you should
>>>>> not need to do this as it simply tells someone, this person is blind
>>>>> so stop and wait for them as they will not be a safe traveler or is
>>>>> trying to signal that they need your help.
>>>>> Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding the point of doing this but
>>>>> I just really feel like this is an out-of-date practice, one that
>>>>> tries to heavily point out blindness which would seem to lead to
>>>>> increasing the stigma rather than showing that we are competent
>>>>> individuals, and something that could actually be dangerous rather
>>>>> than helpful to a cane traveler.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can understand this type of practice if you want for some reason
>>>>> to indicate that you are blind or have a VI (i.e., when  you are
>>>>> concerned that you may trip... and do not want individuals to just
>>>>> think that you are
>>>>> clumsy...) so please know that I am not trying to discount these
>>>>> types of situations rather it is just on the curb side if you are
>>>>> just trying to cross the street  and have any of the above three
>>>>> reasons for not wanting to do so that I am asking about and feeling
> this
>>> way about.
>>>>> Happy weekend all!
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>>>>> Assistant Professor of Psychology
>>>>> Department of Social Sciences
>>>>> Shorter University
>>>>> Rome, Georgia
>>>>> szostak.1 at osu.edu <javascript:;><mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>>> 
>> <javascript:;>> cszostak at shorter.edu <javascript:;>
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