[Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane

Thu Sep 1 13:08:14 UTC 2016

I wonder, is 1/3 of the blame put on each gunshot victim just for being 
there too, or are the blind somehow special?

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 00:27:04
> From: Bryan Schulz via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
> 
> Hi,
>
> The knowledge was nil 22 years ago.
> Bryan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via
> blindtlk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:04 PM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>
> Did acb?  I inquired about some things from them in the past. Not once in my
> forty some years did i get a return call!!! At least u get answers most of
> the timefrom NFB.
>
> Ericka Short
> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
> Madison. WI. 53704
> 608-665-3170
>
> from my iPhone 6s
>
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Tell me how great the nfb is when they can't stop the law from saying one
>> third of the blame for an accident was the fault of the blind person just
>> being there?
>> The nfb didn't go to court for that case!
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
>> Mihalakis via blindtlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:45 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: Carly Mihalakis
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [BlindTalk] Raising a Cane
>>
>> Every day is white cane day!At 05:29 PM 10/2/2015, Ericka via blindtlk
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Bob and all
>>>
>>> I love your idea of getting the DMV, police etc. involved. I just
>>> spoke to the aging and disability resource center today to inquire
>>> whether they were doing anything community education about White
>>> cane day coming up. When the lady at the desk gave me the Hem and
>>> haw over answering my question I figured the answer was no. She did
>>> give me the name of someone who does a lot of the community events.
>>> I love the notice for this Paula person and she did call me right
>>> back this afternoon. Unfortunately I was already at my next stop,
>>> the grocery store and missed the call. So we'll see how things go on
>>> Monday. We are having a fun and fit fair for people with
>>> disabilities coming up. Maybe this can be incorporated somehow
>>> although it's last minute. After all, walking in your community is
>>> not just independence and getting your mines done; it's also keeping
>>> yourself healthy and fit too. Many times doctors tell you to walk to
>>> lose weight etc. We can still hear the birds and the rustle of trees
>>> so there's benefit and it relates.
>>>
>>> Ericka Short
>>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Bob Hachey via blindtlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> I hear you loud and clear. Seems that driving in America is the fourth
>>>> inalienable right, up there with life, liberty and the pursuit of
>>> happiness.
>>>> While it is we the pedestrians who have been given this right by law in
>>>> theory, in practice, the rights seem to go to the driver, no matter how
>>>> careless or thoughtless that driver may be.
>>>> Perhaps instead of raising a cane to call attention to ourselves
>>> we ought to
>>>> raise Cain, (note spelling)
>>>> And, I'm not joking.
>>>> I love the idea of White cane day which is coming soon. But I wish we
>> could
>>>> be more successful at getting not just the usual folks from the
>> Commission
>>>> for the Blind involved, but the registry of motor vehicles, local
>> police,
>>>> etc.
>>>> Bob Hachey
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> via blindtlk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:28 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Mark Tardif
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>>
>>>> There is something about some people who, when they get behind the
>> wheel,
>>>> turn into creatures you and I wouldn't recognize.  Joking, but just
>> barely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Freeman via blindtlk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:52 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>>
>>>> Arrielle:
>>>>
>>>> I don't worry much about getting cars to conform to a certain behavior
>>>> pattern because (and I'm joking here but not altogether) I
>>> consider the very
>>>> act of getting behind the wheel tantamount to lowering one's IQ by fifty
>>>> percent. Put less acidly, I figure I have little-to-no control over what
>>>> cars do so I try to read their behavior as best I can and feel that the
>>>> position my cane is in (other than aggressively sticking it out right as
>> I
>>>> start to cross) will have little influence on driver behavior.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>>>> Silverman via blindtlk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 2:04 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Arielle Silverman
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Raising a Cane
>>>>
>>>> Christine does use a cane, the issue is being told to hold the
>>> cane up while
>>>> waiting to cross the street, as a signal, then putting it down and
>> crossing
>>>> with it. As to Mike's comment, How do sighted pedestrians signal that
>> they
>>>> are crossing, without a cane or a turn signal? I assume they use some
>> form
>>>> of body language. I consider extending my cane slightly in front
>>> of me to be
>>>> an appropriate form of body language. Like Christine I don't see the
>>>> additional value of raising my cane up off the ground. Further, I
>>> agree with
>>>> what I think she was saying, which is that we want cars to drive
>> normally
>>>> rather than stopping in the intersection or doing other weird
>>> things because
>>>> we are blind. If they depart from normal car behavior, they give us
>>>> confusing information about whether or not it is safe to cross.
>>> Of course if
>>>> I am in the middle of crossing I want cars to stop. That goes for any
>>>> pedestrian, blind or sighted.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/27/15, River Linda via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying you can see well enough to cross the street without
>>>>> using a cane? Or, you just do not want to use it because you are
>>>>> embarrassed to use it and you do not want the attention from people?
>>>>> The cane is for your safety. As you have described holding your cane
>>>>> vertically off the ground in front of you, the cars coming from behind
>>>>> you will not see your cane. I was taught to keep the cane tip on the
>>>>> ground and hold it out diagonally from you so that cars coming from all
>>>> four directions can see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for people grabbing you, you have to tell them how you want to be
>>>>> treated. When people grab me, I tell them to wait and let me show you
>>>>> how to help me. When people make that comment about me being amazing
>>>>> because I can cut my food and eat it, I simply respond with "you, too".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2015, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk <
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> Ok, this might be a very odd question, but I was just thinking
>>>>>> about this and to me, it  seems really illogical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was getting O&M to help with transitioning to a cane, every
>>>>>> time we stopped at a curb to cross a street, the instructor would
>>>>>> have me hold the cane directly in front of me and hold it up in the
>>>>>> air vertically about
>>>>>> 2-3 or so inches off the ground. The explanation given to me for this
>>>>>> was so that others would see that I am blind and am using a cane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reasons that this seems a bit odd to me as a good practice are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1)  I do not want a car to stop at a stop sign and wait for me to
>>>>>> cross as I have always been taught not to trust in drivers that say,
>>>>>> go ahead I will wait because they may not see other cars coming that
>>>>>> could hit me if I follow their advice. Also, just because they stop,
>>>>>> it does not mean that they see you so the signal you are assuming
>>>>>> they are giving you, may not be the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2)  I do not necessarily want to bring attention to my blindness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3)  I tend to look younger than I am and thus people, to my
>>>>>> consternation, always try  to grab my arm... to help me. When I was
>>>>>> in training for one of my prior guides, my instructor always joked
>>>>>> that I was a really touchable person because total strangers would
>>>>>> try to drag me across the street since they just assumed that I did
>>>>>> not know  how to cross a street with a light:). This happens to me,
>>>>>> regardless of whether it is with traffic or even in places like
>>>>>> restaurants, total strangers will frequently grab my arm, put their
>>>>>> arms around my shoulders... and tell me how amazing I am to be eating
>>>>>> so well:). Since I really do not want this type of attention, I tend
>>>>>> not to want  to use methods that are likely to induce it:). Since I
>>>>>> could see holding a cane in the air as one good way to get this type
>>>>>> of attention, I am not overly eager to keep up this practice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus, do others here hold up their canes while standing on curbs
>>>>>> and if so, what has been your experience with respect to the above
>>>>>> issues? I really, personally do not like this practice as it would
>>>>>> seem to me that if you are a competent traveler who follows the
>>>>>> rules of the pedestrian and knows what you are doing, then you should
>>>>>> not need to do this as it simply tells someone, this person is blind
>>>>>> so stop and wait for them as they will not be a safe traveler or is
>>>>>> trying to signal that they need your help.
>>>>>> Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding the point of doing this but
>>>>>> I just really feel like this is an out-of-date practice, one that
>>>>>> tries to heavily point out blindness which would seem to lead to
>>>>>> increasing the stigma rather than showing that we are competent
>>>>>> individuals, and something that could actually be dangerous rather
>>>>>> than helpful to a cane traveler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can understand this type of practice if you want for some reason
>>>>>> to indicate that you are blind or have a VI (i.e., when  you are
>>>>>> concerned that you may trip... and do not want individuals to just
>>>>>> think that you are
>>>>>> clumsy...) so please know that I am not trying to discount these
>>>>>> types of situations rather it is just on the curb side if you are
>>>>>> just trying to cross the street  and have any of the above three
>>>>>> reasons for not wanting to do so that I am asking about and feeling
>> this
>>>> way about.
>>>>>> Happy weekend all!
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
>>>>>> Assistant Professor of Psychology
>>>>>> Department of Social Sciences
>>>>>> Shorter University
>>>>>> Rome, Georgia
>>>>>> szostak.1 at osu.edu <javascript:;><mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>>>
>>> <javascript:;>> cszostak at shorter.edu <javascript:;>
>>>>>>
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