[Blindtlk] Driverless Cars

Judy Jones Judy.Jones at icbvi.idaho.gov
Wed Jan 4 14:37:14 UTC 2017 

Absolutely true!!

Judy


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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via blindtlk
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:04 AM
To: Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars

The difference between driverless cars and horseless carriages is the horseless carriages were repaired by shade tree mechanics and could be repaired by shade tree mechanics and the driverless cars are an entirely different situation with respect to repairs.  First all of the car companies have been doing as much as they posssibly could to make repairs by any other than mechanics with very expensive tools computers and training impossible.  That in turn lost many people employment they could have had otherwise.  So it's not just the purchase price; mechanical maintenance, security maintenance (make sure your car doesn't get hacked), the repair costs for these vehicles are probably going to force many of them into recycling since repair costs will be beyond budget capacities of many households.  Most of America lives on fixed incomes and 99% of those fixed incomes won't handle this kind of financial strain.  Yes there is an additional expense of car insurance and warranties that will be available for purchase but you'd better get a warranty as good as that sold for the Rambler's in the early 1960's. 
My Uncle had a Rambler and its drive train got broke and those are very expensive parts costing in the neighborhood of a new engine or new transmission and it was covered by the warranty he bought and he got a new drive train installed at no charge.  Lots of warranties are inferior to that of the Rambler though so it's best to retain a lawyer to read the fine print and do the necessary interpretation for you when you go to make that purchase.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk wrote:

> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:22:16
> From: Bryan Schulz via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars
> 
> Hi,
>
> Especially if you want to be close to first in line, your estimate 
> better end with 000,000!
> Bryan
>
>
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> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
> Donahue via blindtlk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 8:52 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Mary Donahue
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars
>
> Good evening everyone,
>
>
> 	Bring on the driverless cars. Mary and I want to boldly go where no 
> Uber or mass transit service will take a blind person to. We can't 
> wait for these beasts to come available and are getting our financial 
> ducks in order so we can buy one.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
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> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Ericka via blindtlk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:08 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars
>
> I don't trust tech. Uber is cheaper than a taxi and more universal 
> than other mass transit.
>
> Ericka Short
> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
> Madison. WI. 53704
> 608-665-3170
>
> from my iPhone 6s
>
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Because blind people don't need to be driving! Hasn't yet been done
> because such a  preposterous notion hasn't until now, occurred to any 
> blind people, I guess. At 12:03 PM 1/2/2017, Jen via blindtlk wrote:
>>> Hi Jude and Gary,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your thought-provoking posts. Someone on another list 
>>> was discussing the need for the universal design of appliances, so 
>>> let's why can't the universal design approach be used for driverless 
>>> cars with the technology already out there? For instance, JAWS and 
>>> other screen readers have been out for over a decade now, so why 
>>> couldn't screen reader technology be input into driverless cars to 
>>> guide the potential blind driver?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Jude DaShiell via blindtlk
>>> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 4:05 AM
>>> To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>; Blind Talk Mailing List 
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; Jen via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars
>>>
>>> Actually, the only reason flying cars are not in use now is because 
>>> the FAA can't figure out how to control the air space from ground to
>>> 200 feet of altitude. Economical flying car design has already been 
>>> patented and, if that happens, those will be manufactured out of one 
>>> of our New England States, so no, none of this is beyond the realm 
>>> of possibility. Does any of it become available to blind people? 
>>> Most certainly not, not in this lifetime at least. Accessible 
>>> medical devices aren't the law of the land, let alone driverless 
>>> cars for the
> blind, not to mention accessible tv units.
>>> I'm not talking about cable, I'm talking about the tv units themselves.
>>> Maybe in two more of my lifetimes, we get accessible tv units, and 
>>> maybe in another three lifetimes after that, we get accessible 
>>> medical devices, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2017, Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 03:09:41
>>>> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
>>>>     Jen via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars
>>>>
>>>> Don't mean to be a nay-sayer but can you see this tech actually
> happening?
>>> I
>>>> sure can't, or at least in not such a way for it's being available 
>>>> to all blind people.
>>>> CarAt 11:15 PM 1/1/2017, Jude DaShiell via blindtlk wrote:
>>>>> You don't drive in a driverless car.  The only things that get in 
>>>>> them
>>> are
>>>>> passengers and luggage of various types.
>>>>> As I understand the technology it's going to be under-designed and 
>>>>> that under-design will cost lives.  Not so much of passengers but 
>>>>> rather pedestrians. These cars would need to get flight 
>>>>> capabilities so that if negotiation of a section of road were 
>>>>> temporarily impossible they could lift off for distance sufficient 
>>>>> to bypass the obstacles and continue on their way.  Hovercraft 
>>>>> technology could do this if it were part of
>>> standard
>>>>> design but that'll not be the case for the first vehicles put on 
>>>>> the
>>> roads.
>>>>> A school bus and large truck having an accident in an intersection 
>>>>> just ahead of a driverless car that happens too soon for the 
>>>>> driverless car to
>>>
>>>>> take an alternate route to bypass such an accident with children 
>>>>> and whatever the truck looses all over the intersection would be 
>>>>> one of the scenarios where flight capability would be more than a 
>>>>> nice to have
>>> feature
>>>>> on a driverless car.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 1 Jan 2017, Jen via blindtlk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 16:22:07
>>>>>> From: Jen via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Driverless Cars Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your opinion of driver-less cars? Personally, I can't 
>>>>>> wait for their arrival on the road! I'm totally blind from birth 
>>>>>> and would like the chance to drive, just to feel what it feels 
>>>>>> like. My best friend, who happens
>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> sighted, feels otherwise though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you?
>>>>>>
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