[Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed

Sat Sep 16 19:35:11 UTC 2017

Afternoon, Marianne,

We're all people who are deserving of the same rights. You can't 
legeslate what a person needs.
Car

intention is to help them.
>Maybe I resent that we want to help people, illegally here.  I, for
>instance, was a Teacher of the Visually impaired.  I was itinerate.  Our
>democratic Governor discontinued the program, where a school district was
>reimbursed 15 hours of reading/assisting time per week.  The districts were
>told that they had to pay for their own accommodations.  Of course, the
>districts are crying about not having money.  In my last District, the
>school district  refused to pay for an Assistant to help me get to the
>different schools, like I had before.  That meant that I had to wait in the
>heat sometimes for an hour for a bus.  Some of the areas were really bad and
>I was afraid of my safety.  The sun hurt my Diabetes and I developed
>Irritable Bowel Syndrome to the point, where I had to go on Teacher
>disability, even though I would like nothing better than to work.  Yes, I am
>angry that we are paying for people, illegally here instead of law abiding
>citizens.
>
>Sorry, but I really felt I had to say that.
>
>Marianne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>Jacobson via blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:19 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Cc: Steve Jacobson
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
>Mary Ann,
>
>I admire what you and what Laz's family gave up to come here and the efforts
>you made to follow the legal path.  The original email didn't open this can
>of worms, though, it was opened when  people responded.  The original email
>only stated that we wanted to collect information on people effected by this
>program to figure out what kind of help they might need.  It did not say
>anything about whether those persons should stay or not, whether President
>Obama should have started the particular program. Whether it should be voted
>upon by Congress, whether tax dollars should or shouldn't be spent or any of
>the arguments raised here.  In my state, there are 6,300 people who will be
>affected by whatever happens, and this means there could be as many as a
>hundred blind people involved.  As far as I no, that is what the initial
>request is trying to understand.  The rest of this conversation is what we
>have all added to it and we should lay it to rest.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>Haas via blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:58 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Marianne Haas <advocate at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
>I totally disagree with you.  There are not as many jobs for blind people in
>this country for people who are either americans or people, legally here.
>Well, I am sorry that with the original email a can of worms was open..
>
>Marianne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>via blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:32 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Cc: Cindy Ray
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
>I am not moderator, but this, as Steve said, has nothing to do with whether
>or not people should use your tax dollars for things. I think that we ought
>to stop debating this undebatable issue. It is, at least, undebatable here.
>There are other forums to which you can take it. Talk to your Congressional
>representatives for starters.
>Cindy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>Haas via blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 2:18 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Marianne Haas <advocate at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
>I agree with you whole heartedly.  I came here legally also. I resent having
>to spend any of my tax dollars on people, who are illegally here.  I came
>here and studied and then found a job to sponsor me to get my Green Card.
>Afterward, I waited five years and then became a citizen.
>
>Marianne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz via
>blindtlk
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:53 AM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Cc: Laz
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
>
>My family was escaping from communism. We had to give up all our property
>and possessions in order to leave. It took us that long to do it legally but
>then my family tended to always to things legally... As someone who arrived
>in this country legally I feel I should have a lot more rights than anyone
>who arrived here illegally.
>
>On 9/15/17, Cindy Ray via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > What brought your family here in 1965? By the way, this is not a debate.
> > The
> > president of the National Federation of the Blind has written asking
> > for this sort of information. People who came here illegally came here
> > to escape oppression and to find ways to make money, and countless
> > other reasons.
> > They
> > felt pressured and as if they didn't have choices. There are a few who
> > came here escaping being caught for crimes, but mostly not, I think.
> > The young people, though, mostly had no say as to what was happening
> > to them. So should they be deported to countries they don't know? I
> > suspect this isn't the place to raise those questions, but the
> > questions are well worth your consideration.
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz
> > via blindtlk
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 11:25 AM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
> >
> > Hmm. Really? Why didn't they enter the country legally? I'm asking
> > because I entered the country legally back in 1965 along with my
> > family. I would think I should have more rights than these people who
> > didn't bother to take the necessary and legal steps to enter the
> > country legally... Sounds like they just came in to be a burden on the
> > tax payers and anyone who has ever worked legally is aware of that tax
> > bite on their income. If this was a debate I'm starting to see which
> > side I would fall into on this one
> >
> > Something about this just doesn't make sense so I'm obviously missing
> > some important facts on this subject.
> >
> > On 9/15/17, Cindy Ray via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> These are young people who fall under the care of the Deferred Action
> > Child
> >> Advocacy Act. Many of them came here with parents who did not enter
> >> the country legally; many may have just entered alone, I think,
> >> though don't quote me on this. They have been granted the right to
> >> work and study here.
> >> I
> >> can't remember the exact meaning of DREAM acronym here. In any case,
> >> the president is trying to remove the DACA Act, thus enabling these
> >> young people, many of whom have never lived anywhere else, to
> >> countries they
> > know
> >> nothing about. There is more about it, but this is in short.
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laz
> >> via blindtlk
> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:51 AM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Information about dreamers needed
> >>
> >> Okay, I'll bite. What are DREAMers?
> >>
> >> Laz
> >>
> >> On 9/15/17, adrijana prokopenko via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> This is coming from the national federation of the blind.
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