[BlindTlk] Unbelievable

Mon Dec 10 23:43:50 UTC 2018

Who cares what their beef is?
Take it off list!
Bryan

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From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laz via BlindTlk
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:34 PM
To: Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com>
Cc: Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com>; Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Unbelievable

Please don't misquote me. What I'm unsure of is what their beef with me is.

My rhetoric had nothing to do with their malicious actions against me.
More likely than not something I said came close to the truth but i'm clueless as to their beef with me so I can't and neither can you, attribute their malicious activity to anything in particular I may have said. Hence the reason I used the word imagined.

I think it's funny that like when one reports a crime to the police it turns out that one is the one getting investigated, while the perpetrator gets away.

Thus far no one has stepped up to chide the perpetrator but instead I am the one being chided.

On 12/10/18, Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> As you yourself said, you have no idea what their specific intention was.
> While I agree that repeated password change requests are likely 
> unfriendly in nature, after reading some of the rhetoric you use, I’m 
> not surprised about the removal requests. While I don’t think that was 
> the right course of action for them to take, it is no more right for 
> you to insult them and call them out publicly, while using threatening 
> language. An old saying is “you can catch more flies with honey than 
> with vinegar”. If honey and vinegar are symbolic of types of verbiage, 
> I’d urge you to chew on that saying for a bit. I’ll also add that if 
> you’re concerned about removal requests etc. the most professional 
> thing to do would be to contact the list moderator to address your 
> concern. Though the removal requests were unprofessional in nature, 
> calling them out was equally inappropriate. One misconduct does not excuse another. Thank you!
>
>
> Best,
> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
> Stanford University | Class of 2021
> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:22, Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com> wrote:
>>
>> I suppose pretending to be me and requesting to be removed from the 
>> list twice and then continuing to pretend to be me and trying to get 
>> the server to provide my password three times is a friendly gesture...
>> Let's keep in mind that apparently someone was attemting to do these 
>> things over and over to maliciously either remove me from the list or 
>> to try to get my password in order to do who knows what. I have no 
>> idea what the person doing this imagines I did to them but he or she 
>> who did these things is not the victim in any way, shape, or form.
>>
>> To put it simply how would you like to have someone pretend to be you 
>> and attempt several times to either remove you from a list or access 
>> your password?
>>
>>> On 12/10/18, Cricket X. Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Laz, David, and all,
>>>
>>> Please forgive me for inserting my opinion here--I recognize that it 
>>> might be overstepping boundaries, but as a perpetual student I'm 
>>> always trying to learn from my own mistakes and those of others. I 
>>> do believe that, unless something has changed since last I checked, 
>>> calling someone "numb-minded" and "cowardly" is both highly 
>>> insulting and extremely unprofessional. And trust me, I know all 
>>> about being unprofessional--I'm a college student after all. :) 
>>> Furthermore, and I'm surprised this wasn't slightly more obvious, 
>>> there is most certainly a threat in the sentence "I don't think 
>>> you'd like it if I found out who you are." Now we could argue 
>>> semantics all day about the intent behind that sentence etc. etc. 
>>> but whether you like it or not, there was at the very least an 
>>> implied threat there. As someone who is aspiring to pursue something 
>>> related to communications and/or journalism, I am always considering 
>>> the implied meaning of my words as well as the obvious ones. I 
>>> suggest you do the same. This is a public listserv, one that people 
>>> from the public may be able to see the messages from. The mission of 
>>> the NFB is to ensure that blind people are given fair treatment and 
>>> that we are perceived as equal to our sighted counterparts. Messages 
>>> like that certainly seem to further the perception that blind people 
>>> are unaware of social skills. And as with all communications of any 
>>> form of social media, and I use the term lightly, various studies 
>>> have found that one's imagined audience is at least four or five 
>>> times smaller than one's real audience. So even though that was 
>>> addressed to a listserv, it's almost definite that others have seen 
>>> it or will see it. Furthermore, using threatening and/or 
>>> unprofessionally insulting language on a listserv will, in my 
>>> opinion, only increase the likelihood that removal requests be made, 
>>> since such conduct is, quite frankly, thoroughly inappropriate. Please keep that in mind. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
>>> Stanford University | Class of 2021
>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/18, Laz via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> David, Really? Two removal requests and three password reminders in 
>>>> the space of less than one hour? That definitely points to someone 
>>>> doing something on purpose and not by accident.
>>>>
>>>> There was no threat in my message just pointing out that their IP 
>>>> address is included in the removal requests and could be traced to 
>>>> them. Perhaps if I passed the IP address on to the list owner they 
>>>> could do something about this supposed accidental activity.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Laz
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/9/18, David Andrews via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone may be doing this to you -- or it could be an accident, 
>>>>> hitting the wrong link.  Either way, threats are not appropriate!
>>>>>
>>>>> David Andrews, Moderator and List Owner
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:23 PM 12/9/2018, you wrote:
>>>>>> Could the numb-minded person who has been unsuccessfully trying 
>>>>>> to unsubscribe me from this mailing list knock it off. Realize 
>>>>>> that your IP address is in the verification messages I get every 
>>>>>> time you do that and I could always trace it back to you. I don't 
>>>>>> think you'd like it if I found out who you are...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a bone to pick with me then do it to my face not in 
>>>>>> some cowardly way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>
>>>>>
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