[BlindTlk] Unbelievable

Mon Dec 10 19:53:07 UTC 2018

LOL! You can have the last word on the subject.

On 12/10/18, Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Laz, Danielle, David and all,
>
>
> I believe a few people were trying to make points here. I can tell that none
> of them are being well-received, and I’m not one to continue with
> disappointingly fruitless endeavors. It seems like Danielle was trying to be
> nonconfrontational and I know I was as well, but we’re being met with
> continued efforts at arguing. I would now urge everyone to drop this thread
> to promote general peace and well-being. I would also urge the moderators to
> please discontinue this thread if it should continue. Thank you!
>
> Best,
> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
> Stanford University | Class of 2021
> Secretary| California Association of Blind Students
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 11:33, Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please don't misquote me. What I'm unsure of is what their beef with me
>> is.
>>
>> My rhetoric had nothing to do with their malicious actions against me.
>> More likely than not something I said came close to the truth but i'm
>> clueless as to their beef with me so I can't and neither can you,
>> attribute their malicious activity to anything in particular I may
>> have said. Hence the reason I used the word imagined.
>>
>> I think it's funny that like when one reports a crime to the police it
>> turns out that one is the one getting investigated, while the
>> perpetrator gets away.
>>
>> Thus far no one has stepped up to chide the perpetrator but instead I
>> am the one being chided.
>>
>> On 12/10/18, Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> As you yourself said, you have no idea what their specific intention
>>> was.
>>> While I agree that repeated password change requests are likely
>>> unfriendly
>>> in nature, after reading some of the rhetoric you use, I’m not surprised
>>> about the removal requests. While I don’t think that was the right course
>>> of
>>> action for them to take, it is no more right for you to insult them and
>>> call
>>> them out publicly, while using threatening language. An old saying is
>>> “you
>>> can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”. If honey and vinegar
>>> are
>>> symbolic of types of verbiage, I’d urge you to chew on that saying for a
>>> bit. I’ll also add that if you’re concerned about removal requests etc.
>>> the
>>> most professional thing to do would be to contact the list moderator to
>>> address your concern. Though the removal requests were unprofessional in
>>> nature, calling them out was equally inappropriate. One misconduct does
>>> not
>>> excuse another. Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
>>> Stanford University | Class of 2021
>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:22, Laz <laz at talkingmp3players.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I suppose pretending to be me and requesting to be removed from the
>>>> list twice and then continuing to pretend to be me and trying to get
>>>> the server to provide my password three times is a friendly gesture...
>>>> Let's keep in mind that apparently someone was attemting to do these
>>>> things over and over to maliciously either remove me from the list or
>>>> to try to get my password in order to do who knows what. I have no
>>>> idea what the person doing this imagines I did to them but he or she
>>>> who did these things is not the victim in any way, shape, or form.
>>>>
>>>> To put it simply how would you like to have someone pretend to be you
>>>> and attempt several times to either remove you from a list or access
>>>> your password?
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/18, Cricket X. Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Laz, David, and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please forgive me for inserting my opinion here--I recognize that it
>>>>> might be overstepping boundaries, but as a perpetual student I'm
>>>>> always trying to learn from my own mistakes and those of others. I do
>>>>> believe that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
>>>>> calling someone "numb-minded" and "cowardly" is both highly insulting
>>>>> and extremely unprofessional. And trust me, I know all about being
>>>>> unprofessional--I'm a college student after all. :) Furthermore, and
>>>>> I'm surprised this wasn't slightly more obvious, there is most
>>>>> certainly a threat in the sentence "I don't think you'd like it if I
>>>>> found out who you are." Now we could argue semantics all day about the
>>>>> intent behind that sentence etc. etc. but whether you like it or not,
>>>>> there was at the very least an implied threat there. As someone who is
>>>>> aspiring to pursue something related to communications and/or
>>>>> journalism, I am always considering the implied meaning of my words as
>>>>> well as the obvious ones. I suggest you do the same. This is a public
>>>>> listserv, one that people from the public may be able to see the
>>>>> messages from. The mission of the NFB is to ensure that blind people
>>>>> are given fair treatment and that we are perceived as equal to our
>>>>> sighted counterparts. Messages like that certainly seem to further the
>>>>> perception that blind people are unaware of social skills. And as with
>>>>> all communications of any form of social media, and I use the term
>>>>> lightly, various studies have found that one's imagined audience is at
>>>>> least four or five times smaller than one's real audience. So even
>>>>> though that was addressed to a listserv, it's almost definite that
>>>>> others have seen it or will see it. Furthermore, using threatening
>>>>> and/or unprofessionally insulting language on a listserv will, in my
>>>>> opinion, only increase the likelihood that removal requests be made,
>>>>> since such conduct is, quite frankly, thoroughly inappropriate. Please
>>>>> keep that in mind. Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
>>>>> Stanford University | Class of 2021
>>>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/10/18, Laz via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> David, Really? Two removal requests and three password reminders in
>>>>>> the space of less than one hour? That definitely points to someone
>>>>>> doing something on purpose and not by accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no threat in my message just pointing out that their IP
>>>>>> address is included in the removal requests and could be traced to
>>>>>> them. Perhaps if I passed the IP address on to the list owner they
>>>>>> could do something about this supposed accidental activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/9/18, David Andrews via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone may be doing this to you -- or it could be an accident,
>>>>>>> hitting the wrong link.  Either way, threats are not appropriate!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Andrews, Moderator and List Owner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 07:23 PM 12/9/2018, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Could the numb-minded person who has been unsuccessfully trying to
>>>>>>>> unsubscribe me from this mailing list knock it off. Realize that
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> IP address is in the verification messages I get every time you do
>>>>>>>> that and I could always trace it back to you. I don't think you'd
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> it if I found out who you are...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have a bone to pick with me then do it to my face not in
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> cowardly way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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