[Blindtlk] Braille

rbacchus228 at gmail.com rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 24 14:04:49 UTC 2018 

I agree with you. I too wish that upon our story of North America would not have changed the braille code to unify English braille. Since I'm studying to become a braille transcriber, I would've loved to be using literary braille with contractions to stay the course.

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> On Jan 24, 2018, at 3:30 AM, Jasmine Kotsay via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>    I am also a proponent of Braille.  It is unfortunate that the BANA changed the version of Braille we read to UEB.  I have been experiencing this type of change since I am trying to be a TVI.  I prefer the version of Braille that I learned when I was six, 23 years ago.  I feel as though Braille is the only way to be truly literate.  When listening to audio books, which I love, I realize that I cannot understand how certain names, places, and words are spelled.  This is not a good thing.  I believe that having words at your fingertips is extremely important.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marianne Haas via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 10:52:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Braille
> 
> Good Morning,
> My name is Marianne and I live in Northern CA.  I learned Braille early on
> and several different languages.  I am retired from teaching students with
> visual impairments.  I am definitely a proponent of braille.
> 
> There is one thing I did not see in this discussion:
> Teachers of students with visual impairments have huge case loads,
> especially if they have to travel to different schools.  Therefore, they
> leave the teaching of braille to Assistants or encourage the students not to
> learn braille.  Parents need to be forceful in demanding that braille is
> being taught.  I also found that students do not want to learn braille as
> they do not want to be different.  I always let those students know, that
> they can learn something exciting and they have something sighted students
> do not have.  For myself, I never got in trouble when I read at night when I
> was supposed to be sleeping.  My Sister always was caught reading as her
> lamp was hot, while mine was cold.
> 
> I started my own little business, tutoring especially students with special
> needs and advocating for parents of students with special needs in my area.
> I do a lot business with bartering services.  In fact, I hope I will get
> more clients.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
> via blindtlk
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 10:29 AM
> To: 'Annely Rose'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Judy Jones
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Braille
> 
> You are so right about everything you do with braille.  My husband and I do
> the same,although we also use the audio.  Audio is secondary to braille, and
> really not necessary.  We grew up in an age where we were adults before
> large-scale audio was available, went to college, and held down professional
> positions, all without relying heavily on audio, but braille.
> 
> We use braille for bookkeeping, and there is nothing like holding a little
> on in your lap while you both read a print/braille book.
> 
> When in a new city or having moved to a new area, I make braille notes when
> familiarizing myself to an area, so I can go back to them very conveniently.
> 
> AT the job working for the state from which I recently retired, I was the
> office manager, plus had my own case load, ran my own budget, ran a small
> supplies store, and assisted another colleague.  Braille helped me to get
> all this done quickly and efficiently.
> 
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annely Rose
> via blindtlk
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 10:05 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Annely Rose
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Braille
> 
> Well said, Judy.  Thank you for your response.
> 
> Annely
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 1/20/18, Judy Jones via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Braille
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: "Judy Jones" <sonshines59 at gmail.com
> Date: Saturday, January 20, 2018, 1:00 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would recommend you getting information from  the National Organization
> Of  Parents Of  Blind Children www.nopbc.org.
> 
> I would also encourage you to ask this question  on the NFB Blind Educators
> list.
> 
> My background is as school
> teacher, parent, and person who has had ten and a  half years' experience
> in the blindness  field.
> 
> First of all people
> need to understand that braille is "text" read  with the  fingers.  It is
> not a language.  It need not be slower than reading print.
> It
> is a literacy tool, while audio is not.  Different parts of  the brain are
> used when reading braille or  print, and if you use audio only, no matter
> how  proficient you are at it, you are functionally  "illiterate."  This is
> not a  slam  on any individual personally, just a given fact, since  braille
> is a  literacy tool.
> 
> Phrases like "learn
> braille," and "use braille," should be out  the door, and  exchanged for
> the simple verb,  "read," because that is what it is, plain and
> simple:  reading.
> 
> Blind adults and children learning to
> "read" need to work at it
> consistently, 20 minutes daily, just as their  sighted counterparts are
> taught in school.  Print and braille are BOTH forms of reading, and if you
> practice,  you will succeed.
> 
> Question:  Would any sighted
> parent be satisfied if a school declared that  their children would be
> relegated to audio  experience only?  I think not!
> 
> Audio only learners are spotted early, because  of poor spelling,
> punctuation, and document  layout.  Granted, screen readers have all the
> tools for you to check these things, but a  person has no concept of a
> realtime document  if they are audio learners only.
> 
> I am acquainted personally with a child who has  very limited vision, but
> because there is  some vision, braille was not encouraged.  This  elementary
> school child, according to the  parents, has never seen a whole word or
> sentence, does not have a concept of what that  looks like, as the child can
> only see one  letter at a time with a magnifier.  After speaking with  my
> husband and I, the parents are getting  serious about getting their child
> some good  braille training.
> 
> Also, I
> have seen figures that state in this country that out of the  blind
> persons who are competitively  employed, approximately 90% read using
> braille.  The earlier one is exposed to  braille, no matter how young or
> level of  visual acuity, the better.
> 
> "If you can read, you can lead."
> 
> Can you tell, I am a proponent
> of braille.  :)
> 
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of adrijana
> prokopenko via
> blindtlk
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018
> 12:19 AM
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> Cc: adrijana prokopenko
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Braille
> 
> What do you consider great when it comes to  introducing, promoting and
> using  braille and  what would you use to encourage the future generations
> to do  so  and for some special ed teachers and the  public to realize that
> braille is  as  important as print and should be viewed as such.
> 
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