[BlindTlk] Computers for the blind

Fri Apr 19 10:00:57 UTC 2019

Oh, well that does work a little with the arrow keys and some Emacs commands, but I'd much rather have Emacspeak, which is much more precise at speaking Emacs information.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

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From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 4:42 AM
To: Devin Prater
Cc: Devin Prater via BlindTlk
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind

emacs through nvda and I ran emacs from a command line prompt in
windows.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2019, Devin Prater wrote:

> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 04:59:55
> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> Cc: Devin Prater via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
>
> You use Emacs with NVDA, or you use Emacspeak through NVDA somehow?
>
> Also, I'm very sure that general Emacs help folks don't know about Emacspeak.
>
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 12:42 AM
> To: Devin Prater
> Cc: Devin Prater via BlindTlk
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
>
> No it doesn't take long to do and I had it working with nvda since I
> never had jaws for a home computer. Not only that, there's help
> available from help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org to get it installed and configured
> properly.
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Devin Prater wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 00:28:20
> > From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> > To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > Cc: Devin Prater via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
> >
> > Yes, maybe one day I?ll buckle down and try to do that, it sounds like it?d take a very long time to do, compared to the short time it takes on Mac. Also, the speech server doesn?t support voice-lock-mode. This isn?t to say that I expect it to support it completely, I know the Microsoft OneCore voices probably aren?t as flexible as Voxin, or even MacinTalk, although a speech server could be made to interface with Eloquence from CodeFactory or other sources and just use the Outloud specifications for how it should be used.
> >
> > > On Apr 18, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can install emacs on windows, I did it and got it to work and emacs
> > > talks.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Devin Prater via BlindTlk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:08:54
> > >> From: Devin Prater via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
> > >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
> > >> Cc: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>>
> > >> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
> > >>
> > >> For me, a Mac is a little easier to use, and, to me, a little better for what I did as a Technical Assistant intern at an Assistive Technology department, adding and editing curricula.
> > >> Most of the curricula is in HTML format, which I worked with for a time, until I figured out how to use Markdown along with HTML. I did this using Emacs, a very good text editor, with built in listing, like spell check for programming languages, which helped me a lot in making my work as good as possible. Maybe I could use Windows for this, if VS Code supports Markdown, or ORG-mode files (Org is another type of text formatting system), but the other thing I used it for, email, will probably never been all that great on Windows, especially threaded email usage. So, I brought my Mac every day, and they were okay with that.
> > >>
> > >> Also, the Mac has screen curtain, which now is available as an add-on for NVDA, and a feature in the latest version of JAWS. This is good for viewing confidential information in that kind of setting, where students aren?t aloud back in the staff area, but things happen.
> > >>
> > >> I?m sure that given plenty of work with resources, Windows could be made to do well with what I need it for in work, and setting up Emacs, and Emacspeak, does take a good 30 minutes to start from the beginning, installing the Home-brew package manager, installing latest Emacs (brew cask install emacs), getting and building Emacspeak, and linking the two together, but after that, it works amazingly well for editing files. I?m also sure that, if needed, I could convert the HTML files into Word files, then back into HTML, but I?d much rather work with the source material, and make it as clean and uncluttered as possible. You have no idea how messy those HTML files were, with several ?&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp ? (non-breaking space) there were from automated tools like conversion software.
> > >>
> > >> All this to say, it depends on what you?re doing. Also, if you write a lot, the Mac is great for this, because of its system-wide spell checking. Not just in Word and Edge, its Dictionary, which is also system-wide and contains a thesaurus, and other text utilities, and VoiceOver works great with all of them. No ?Candidate UI pane? when completing words, just a ?popup? noise and VoiceOver saying the word, followed by ?suggested correction? followed by the spelling of the word, which is a very clean and clear experience.
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 18, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In addition, I believe you could get in trouble with an employer for
> > >>> bringing your computer into the workplace, depending on the level of
> > >>> confidentiality they need to maintain.
> > >>>
> > >>> Judy
> > >>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org><mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org>>] On Behalf Of Jude
> > >>> DaShiell via BlindTlk
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:22 AM
> > >>> To: Ericka via BlindTlk
> > >>> Cc: Jude DaShiell
> > >>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
> > >>>
> > >>> It is never a good idea to take a home computer into the workplace!
> > >>> Even more so if you work for part of the national infrastructure or
> > >>> government. Reason for that is simple. Computers in those workplaces
> > >>> get hacked regularly. If you have a separate workplace computer and a
> > >>> home computer and your workplace computer gets hacked, it's technical
> > >>> support (help desk) responsibility to fix it. If you only use your home
> > >>> computer at home and in work, you could be responsible for any data loss
> > >>> and any necessary repairs. If an employer hasn't got enough money to
> > >>> set you up with a workplace computer and any other office equipment
> > >>> necessary for you to do your work, that employer is too
> > >>> under-capitalized to hire you.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Ericka via BlindTlk wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:48:30
> > >>>> From: Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
> > >>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
> > >>>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com <mailto:dotwriter1 at gmail.com>>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Computers for the blind
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Georgia, I am in Wisconsin. I agree with Mr. Mac out there. If I?m doing
> > >>> it for home use only I would love to have a Mac. But a PC is more practical
> > >>> since it can go into the workforce.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ericka Nelson
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Apr 16, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Georgia Cabus via BlindTlk
> > >>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Seen your email at the blindtlk. I checked them out before but I got mt
> > >>>>> laptop from Kevin from one of the listserv. He's from a non-profit org
> > >>> too
> > >>>>> and very helpful on what I needed. I didn't have a lot budget for a
> > >>> laptop
> > >>>>> but he found me a 12" lenovo that worked (I needed a lightweight with a
> > >>>>> good specs) and I got it for $135 plus shipping.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you can't find any laptop from CFTB I can give his email.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Or if you are at certain states, there's local organizations that help
> > >>> on
> > >>>>> computers. Where are you from? I might know something.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Georgia
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