[BlindTlk] Cell phone

Tue Jun 4 18:08:52 UTC 2019

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On 6/4/19, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As far as I know, this isn't any kind of an android phone.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 10:46 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Judy Jones
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> I know a person on the Antad who has had lots of experience with Alcatel,
> and whether he could help you with this, I don't know, but he encourages
> anyone to write him about Android things.
>
> He has allowed me to pass on all Android questions, and I have had
> permission to give out his e-mail for Android questions.
>
> His name is Warren Carr, and his e-mail is
> warcarr at gmail.com.
>
> He is the one who started the Antad list, and he is a great Android device
> authority.
>
> If you contact him, you can let him know I referred you.
>
> Judy
> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela
> Dominguez via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:20 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> I have an alcatel 4044 flip phone.  At first, I thought I liked it a lot,
> now, most of us who have it find it quite annoying.  There is a part where
> the speech goes blank, so you don't know where you are.  Also, I am not
> sure
>
> that the words the screenreader says are always what you see on the screen.
> Part of it has to do with English being a foreign language for whatever
> country makes the phone.  Lots of times, I am told if I don't practically
> eat the microphone, people can't hear me.  Also, I can't figure out how to
> put ring tones into it.  The phone has a folder that says factory ring
> tones, and one underneath that that says my ring tones.  But I can't see
> the
>
> phone's folders when I try to hook it up to my computer.  The people in the
> store don't know.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 7:29 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: Judy Jones
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> Hi, Pam,
>
> I have heard Alcatel has some great phones.
>
> Do you have one of those, and if so, do you like it?
>
> Judy
> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela
> Dominguez via BlindTlk
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 3:05 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> The Alcatel flip phones have a membrane that looks like rubber tiles.  You
> can feel that there are buttons underneath when you push on the tiles.
> Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:27 PM
> To: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk
> Cc: Jude DaShiell ; Steve Jacobson
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>
> One thing I don't like about phones with physical keys is in an
> accident, those keys can fall out and won't be easy to find.  Probably a
> membrane over physical keys with membrane having concavities to
> accommodate physical keys in up positions would take care of that
> problem but with the myriad options available in all of these years I've
> not read about that one.
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 13:32:31
>> From: Steve Jacobson via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> Judy,
>>
>> What I see happening too often is that there are multiple options for
>> cellphones but there isn't a good way to categorize the options.  For
>> example, there are people who just can't get comfortable with touch
>> screens and there are people who don't want a smart phone.  Some of the
>> Android phones, as you have described, are really very powerful smart
>> phones even though they have physical buttons.  However, for the person
>> who simply wants a phone, without needing to deal with downloading apps
>> or
>
>> agreeing to a software update, having physical buttons is only part of
>> the
>
>> answer.  They may well find the Android phones with physical buttons
>> almost as frustrating as using an iPhone.  Someone who wants a phone
>> really has to try to understand the differences, or at least figure out
>> what they are truly wanting or willing to learn.
>>
>> This issue of GSM versus CDMA is also pretty important here in the United
>> States.  In many areas, CDMA phones do have better coverage, and it has
>> been my observation that there is more likely to be CDMA repeaters inside
>> buildings where service is otherwise poor.  One can find oneself with no
>> coverage in a building where others have reasonably good coverage.
>>
>> This is not an easy area to quickly understand if someone is just asking
>> which phone is the best for a blind person.  It is really pretty complex.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 10:33 AM
>> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> There are just lots of choices that aren't necessarily advertised.
>>
>> What would be interesting is if there were a way to do a survey of blind
>> people using phones with physical buttons, what daily activities they
>> perform with them, what they like best about their phones, and what they
>> wish their phones could do.
>>
>> A great phone list that is primarily Android, but not limited to, is the
>> Antad group.
>> Antad+subscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>
>> Then, of course there is the blindphones list.
>> Blindphones+subscribe at groups.io
>>
>> The dangerous thing about technology for the blind is that, although one
>> or
>> two things get popular, the rest is shoved to the side, not unlike what
>> happened to the Optacon when OCR technology came into being.
>>
>> Judy
>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Wunder
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 5:18 AM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Cc: Gary Wunder
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> I appreciate this, Judy. Perhaps it is better not to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:04 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> Your kidding, I watch for the Monitor in my e-mail.
>>
>> You may or may not have seen my comments, but I have concerns about this
>> phone, the biggest one being that the company did not post the phone
>> specs,
>> but were going on the premise that the blind need this phone, with no
>> links
>> to comparisons of other models out there.
>>
>> When I first found out about this phone, I watched the video that only
>> showed the features, but no specs, so I wrote in with my questions.
>>
>> I got a call back from customer service, and here is what I found out.
>>
>> * This phone operates on 3G, not 4G.  They hope to get a 4G device out,
>> but
>> isn't happening yet, and no time frame available.  If you buy this phone
>> for
>> $299, you are on borrowed time.
>>
>> * The phone works on GSM, not CDMA, so check with your carrier with a
>> list
>> of this phone's specs in hand before you go shelling out the bucks.
>>
>> * This phone runs on a custom Linux OS,, and when they mean text and talk
>> only, that's what it is.  This phone uses no data.
>>
>> It runs on an ARM9 processor, and has an internal memory capacity of 8GB,
>> with expandable memory up to 64 GB.
>>
>> This phone, however, is not the only game in town when it comes to
>> accessible phones with physical buttons, and some of you may be able to
>> add
>> to information on other similar phones.
>>
>> Take a look at the Kyocera DuraXE, a flip phone with physical buttons.
>> It
>> runs on GSM 4G LTE.
>>
>> PROS: 4G LTE and dual-band Wi-Fi support. Good call quality, earpiece
>> volume, and speaker volume. Rugged build. Long battery life. CONS No
>> built-in app store. Noise cancellation could be better. BOTTOM LINE The
>> Kyocera DuraXE is an ultra-rugged waterproof and dustproof feature phone
>> that runs Android, but you definitely won't confuse it with a smartphone.
>>
>> The OS is a custom Android, and apps cannot be downloaded maybeside
>> loaded,
>> although the phone is equipped for e-mail and internet use.
>>
>> My husband has this phone, and it is a solid, water-resistent phone with
>> a
>> leather texture exterior and external battery.
>>
>> From what I could find on Amazon, the phone generally runs cheaper than
>> the
>> Lucia mobile phone, and offers more features.  It is also possible that
>> ones
>> can be found on Ebay for less, new and unlocked, and with 4G LTE support,
>> it
>> will be supported for quite a while.
>>
>> The next phone is an Android smart flip, the Galaxy Folder 2 from
>> Samsung,
>> which I have as a backup phone and love it.  It runs on Ebay new and
>> unlocked today at $234.00.  This is a fully functional Android phone, and
>> I
>> have my one hundred plus apps all nicely organized on it.  The drawbacks
>> to
>> it is that I needed sighted assistance to install Talkback on it for me,
>> but
>> only took five minutes.  I proceeded to turn on the Direct Access option
>> within the accessibility settings, and check the box for Talkback so I
>> can
>> wake it up at any time from anywhere.  The camera is not the flagship
>> example, but I installed the Open Camera one can voice activate.  It runs
>> on
>> Android 6.1, and although not the latest in Android versions, is still
>> supported.  It has a 16 GB internal memory and holds my 128 GB SD card
>> very
>> nicely.  It also has several programmable features and buttons you can
>> dedicate to your programs of choice, plus a console that comes up by
>> long-pressing the asterisk key with 9 spaces for your favorite apps.
>>
>> It does not have a physical headphone jack, but is a dream with
>> bluethooth
>> connectivity.
>>
>> These are the phones I know about, and if I come up with more, will
>> forward
>> the information to you.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Judy
>> "Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings."
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> gwunder---
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:13 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Cc: gwunder at earthlink.net
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> Okay, as long as you don't give up reading the Monitor, I'll share this
>> on
>> list:
>>
>> New Accessible Basic Cell Phone Available:
>> A new basic mobile phone is now being offered by a company
>> called RAZ Mobility.  RAZ Mobility claims that the phone, called Lucia,
>> allows people who are blind to use a basic mobile phone just as
>> effectively
>> as people who are sighted.
>> Lucia achieves accessibility in two ways: first, it has a tactile
>> keypad with big buttons in different colors and shapes.  Second, Lucia
>> has
>
>> a
>> voice guide that informs the user of what is on the screen and what
>> buttons
>> have been pressed.  RAZ Mobility claims that the combination of these two
>> features allows people with vision loss to "access every feature of the
>> phone with unparalleled ease."  The user does not need to learn how to
>> use
>> gestures to navigate a touchscreen.
>> Importantly, this phone focuses on the basics: talk and text.  So if
>> you are looking for internet access and other advanced features this
>> phone
>> is not for you.  But if you want a phone with basic features, such as one
>> that has speaking caller ID, speaks your contacts, allows you to enter
>> contacts, speaks your text messages, announces your battery strength and
>> signal strength, reads your text messages, and more, Lucia sounds like a
>> great option.
>> The Lucia cell phone for people who are blind costs $299 and is
>> available on RAZ Mobility's website.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robert
>> Feinstein
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:17 AM
>> To: Gary Wunder via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Robert Feinstein <harlynn at panix.com>
>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Cell phone
>>
>> Gary, I am, believe it or not, a dos user.  I have a simple flip phone
>> from
>> Sprint.  It probably won't work all that much longer.  I'd like to get a
>> phone with buttons that I can text on, but I'm not interested in an
>> iphone.
>> Can you tell me about what you have, and its ease of operation?
>> I am not good with technology.
>>
>> Thank you so much.
>>
>> Bob in NY
>>
>>
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