[BlindTlk] Does anyone have experience with bulb bus stops?

Ericka dotwriter1 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 17:21:19 UTC 2019 

Last I knew you hadn’t gone on your “field trip“ with a team of folks to check these out. Sorry I’m behind the times.

What’s a grandfather who has cancer returned, her grandmother who’s dementia is progressing, and the fact that we are in the final stages of purchasing a condo you can see why my mind is on a different dimension. Thanks for the update Judy. Would you like some snow in Washington? I wasn’t ready for it so I have plenty here in Madison Wisconsin to send you. LOL

Ericka Nelson

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I did reply about those in an earlier e-mail.  They are more like a bow of the curb edge that is about six feet out from the sidewalk at its widest point.  The bow altogether is about 40 feet long.
> 
> Bus drivers like them because they don't have to pull out of the lane to board or deboard passengers.  Bus clipping incidents have gone down in Everett by quite a bit.  Car drivers are already complaining because the bus blocks their lane of traffic when boarding or deboarding passengers.
> 
> I expressed that in time, my fear is that city councils will get enough complaints from city residents that they may come up with something like floating bus stops to supposedly make everyone happy, which would mean death to bus travel for blind persons as we know it, as there would be no way of finding the bus stop, let alone saafely crossing to it.
> 
> Judy
> 
> “Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.”
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via BlindTlk
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:53 AM
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> 
> Sounds really interesting Judy. I wonder if they are going to incorporate something like that when they do our bus rapid transit here in Madison. Admittedly and sadly I never got to the final presentation. I have contacts though and I could find out more. Looking forward to your report on these new fangled things.
> 
> Going to be an interesting winter… 5 inches of snow for Halloween. This is a trick or treat to Wisconsin?
> 
> Ericka Nelson
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Your answer answers my question.  I am going to have a chance to experience them next week with the team I am going with, but what I understand, it is a concrete bulb the size for a bus stop that will allow the bus to pickup passengers without leaving the lane of traffic.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> “Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.”
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 5:15 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Does anyone have experience with bulb bus stops?
>> 
>> Yes.  What are they?  Pam.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:48 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Cc: Judy Jones
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Does anyone have experience with bulb bus stops?
>> 
>> I'm actually talking about bulb stops, not the floating stops, thank 
>> heavens.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> “Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings.”
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via 
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 12:33 PM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Does anyone have experience with bulb bus stops?
>> 
>> I see what you mean about the floating stops. Yes that is not good for us. 
>> There’s a lot of construction near my apartment building and they closed a 
>> lane to have the bus stop so we could get out on the island. We had to cross 
>> two loads of traffic from that island to get to our side of the street. 
>> Nobody paid attention and it was pretty nerve-racking. My husband and I are 
>> good travelers but this just didn’t feel safe so we gave up and found other 
>> ways to get places. The construction is still going on and has been since 
>> April. I do not recommend anyone go to floating bus stops or stopping in 
>> unsafe places randomly. 30 years ago it probably would’ve been OK to some 
>> degree because drivers were more aware of their surroundings. Now I question 
>> the abilities of any person with a drivers license!
>> 
>> Ericka Nelson
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Elizabeth Campbell via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Judy, I don't have any experience with this type of bus stop, but I think
>>> this concept would not work well for blind passengers. For instance, how
>>> would we locate the stops if they can be moved to different locations? I"m
>>> sure we can find the bulbs with our canes, but guide dogs are trained to
>>> avoid obstacles. We can pattern the dogs to find specific bus stops, etc.,
>>> but if these floating stops are implemented, I think they would create
>>> barriers to access.
>>> Just my thoughts here as I haven't experienced using these types of stops.
>>> I am in Fort Worth, and we have stops that are pretty easy to find as many
>>> have shelters and so forth.
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 8:16 PM Judy Jones via BlindTlk 
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My husband and I are on the Skagit Transit Community Advisory Council.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In a couple of weeks, we will all be traveling down to Everett, 
>>>> Washington
>>>> to view their bulb bus stops set up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As I understand it, the bulb is just that, a jut-out bulb directly from 
>>>> the
>>>> curb, where the buss would stop.  This allows the bus to not have to pull
>>>> out of a lane of traffic in order to pick up passengers.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I asked about the bus blocking traffic in that lane, and about possible
>>>> future driver complaints, but was told there is another lane of traffic
>>>> cars
>>>> could pull into on a 4-lane street.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My big question is if this is something that could evolve into
>>>> implementing
>>>> floating bus stops in future.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Do you all have any experience, pros or cons you can share regarding bulb
>>>> bus stops?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Skagit County has neither, and is not planning on implementing any 
>>>> floating
>>>> stops, thank heavens, but want to get feedback from others around the
>>>> country on the bulb stops.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, all, for your input and suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Judy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Embrace each day with His mercies and blessings."
>>>> 
>>>> 
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