[BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

Fri Sep 6 13:12:57 UTC 2019

Yes.  I think that's where I bought it from.  Like their other books, 
though, it comes in the form of a magazine, with paper covers and all.  So, 
they don't really last.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kelby Carlson via BlindTlk
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 2:27 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Cc: Kelby Carlson
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old

I just did a search and "Cooking with Feeling" is not on BARD, but
"Cooking without Looking" is. It looks like you can buy Cooking with
Feeling from National Braille Press.

On 9/4/19, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Where can "Cooking without Looking" be downloaded from?
>
> On 9/4/19, Annely Rose via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> There's another one "Food At Your Fingertips".  Not sure if I have that
>> one
>> or "Cooking Without Looking".  It was given to me by my mother for
>> Mother's
>> Day and I have held on to it for sentimental reasons.  They have all been
>> in
>> containers for at least 7 years, in a verticle position so the braille
>> doesn't get smashed.
>>
>> "Cooking With Feeling" is on BARD.  I just finished reading most of it.
>> I
>> did not care for the way it was done.  I felt it needed more detail on
>> the
>> techniques.
>>
>> Annely
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones via
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:15 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> Yes, there was an older one you can still download called Cooking Without
>> Looking.  There was also the Braille Cookbook in one volume, produced by
>> the
>> Kentucky School For The Blind.
>>
>> More recently, there is one through NBP, I believe, it is called Cooking
>> With Feeling.
>>
>> There may be more I don't know about.
>> Judy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelby
>> Carlson via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:24 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: Kelby Carlson
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>
>> I would love to know if there are any other cookbooks specifically
>> written
>> by the blind with blindness techniques in mind. Maybe not the best topic
>> for
>> this thread, but if anyone knows of any please respond here or email me.
>>
>> On 9/4/19, Sherry Gomes via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I never thought of the Optacon as a thing to replace braille, and it
>>> is very slow for reading books, but it would be, for me anyway, much
>>> more practical for reading print mail than all the ways we have now
>>> through iPhone apps or other scanning type devices. But I agree with
>>> Steven, that it would replace braille. I'm a fast braille reader, and
>>> trying to read print books on the Optacon was frustratingly slow.
>>>
>>> Sherry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve
>>> Jacobson via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:21 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> Ericka,
>>>
>>> I am another Optacon user, and I find it frustrating that no current
>>> technology lets us do the same thing as an Optacon did.  However, I
>>> think we have to be careful not to glorify it too much.  There were
>>> many people who just couldn't get the hang of using it.  One moved a
>>> camera with the right hand and read with the left hand which meant
>>> that there was some coordination needed.  Also, the resolution of the
>>> display was much higher than what one sees on the braille display.
>>> There were therefore people who could read braille but whose fingers had
>>> trouble reading with an Optacon.
>>> Reading speed was also an issue.  There were quite a few people who
>>> read up to 100 words per minute.  I am not aware of anybody who read
>>> much faster than that.  Those whom I knew that read 100 words per
>>> minute with an Optacon were also very fast braille readers, reading
>>> probably three times that rate in braille.  I tended to read for
>>> detail and my reading speed was not that good.  Also, one didn't just
>>> buy the unit and read.  There was a definite learning curve, and one
>>> really had to commit to reading a significant amount each day to
>>> achieve a maximum reading speed.  It also meant that many of us had to
>>> learn print letters and symbols as well.  Telesensory and other
>>> agencies offered training programs to get one started that lasted two
>>> weeks or so.  This training was not cheap and was a significant addition
>>> to the price.
>>>
>>> In an effort to move toward making a more portable model and to make
>>> it less expensive, Telesensory developed the Optacon II which used
>>> some off-the-shelf parts that were custom made for the original
>>> optacon.  It also used some digital technology.  However, those of us
>>> who used the new optacon found that the images seemed less sharp than
>>> on the original optacon.  I don't know why that was.  That was
>>> disappointing, and it probably hurt sales some.  One would think that
>>> with today's technology that such a problem probably would be
>>> nonexistent.
>>>
>>> Finally, Telesensory took the marketing approach that the Optacon
>>> could replace braille and pushed some to get it into the hands of
>>> young blind kids in schools.  Given that braille is often read more
>>> quickly by people who learn it at a young age, the idea that a young
>>> child could perhaps learn to read with an Optacon much faster was
>>> probably justifiable, but many of us thought that it was risky for
>>> kids to spend a lot of time learning the Optacon rather than learning
>>> braille.  I think all of these things caused the Optacon to disappear as
>>> a
>>> product.
>>>
>>> I've seen projects to build a new Optacon, but nothing solid seems to
>>> ever happen with those projects.  I must also say that even at the
>>> time, I wondered how we would have handled the success of the Optacon
>>> to see our ability to read controlled by a single company, at the
>>> expense
>>> of braille.
>>> It never came to that, but it was not beyond the realm of possibility
>>> if faster reading speeds could have been achieved at the expense of
>>> learning braille.
>>>
>>> Also, the optacon did not provide us with a more convenient way to
>>> write.
>>> There was an attachment that one could by that mounted the optacon
>>> camera on certain typewriters.  The attachment allowed one to see the
>>> character that was being typed allowing one to make more reliable
>>> corrections.  However, even portable typewriters of the day were not
>>> that
>>> small.
>>>
>>> Another attachment allowed one to use the Optacon to read an
>>> electronic calculator.  Remember, they didn't talk until 1975 or so
>>> and the Optacon was available slightly before that time, and the first
>>> talking calculators were expensive.  Yet another attachment could be
>>> used
>>> to read computer screens.
>>> At that time, talking computers were also not available.
>>>
>>> Both the availability of talking calculators and computers that
>>> supported braille and speech cut into the value of these additional
>>> attachments.  In those cases, the Optacon really didn't add value over
>>> the option of braille and speech.  That probably also cut into the
>>> market
>>> for the Optacon.
>>>
>>> Still, I have a much better sense of how print looks and the
>>> differences between different fonts and such because of the Optacon.
>>> There are still times when I find I can read something that none of
>>> the OCR approaches reads, and I don't always know why.  Still, more
>>> often than not, I tend to try K-1000, Seeing-AI, or VoiceDream Scanner
>>> first when reading something because if they succeed they are faster,
>>> and over the years the KNFB reader has been very useful.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ericka via
>>> BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 7:52 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>
>>> Why didn’t they just make a more portable model rather than abandon
>>> them? I remember hearing that the first K- NFB type reading things
>>> were in the late 70s. My husband uses Kurzweil 1000 on his computer. I
>>> don’t know how to use it. I use Seeing AI mostly. For the bottles, we
>>> both have a script to talk station.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they are great, and individuals still sell them, and there are
>>>> people who still repair them, so they are alive and well.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are actually reading print with this mechanical device.  All
>>>> this before OCR technology.  The blind person is the brains, and you
>>>> are actually reading what a sighted person would see.
>>>>
>>>> You can read round medicine bottles and things that OCR can't touch.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>
>>>> I saw one once but never got to use it. That was before I knew any
>>>> braille at all. From what I understand it raised the printer
>>>> somethings so you can read it. That would make sense Judy that you
>>>> would understand. What do people do when they’re ancient up to cons
>>>> die? You can’t replace them and I bet you can’t fix them too easily
>>>> either. I heard they were pretty cool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes verymuch sense to those of us that use an optacon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:13 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it makes less sense to people who have never seen print done
>>>>> to those of us who could reprint at one time in our lives. It makes
>>>>> sense to let you know whether something is in bold or not. And if
>>>>> you are formatting something to be printed and look good for the
>>>>> side of the world it’s important as well. The rest of the world
>>>>> centers titles a lot of times like on a resume for example. I do
>>>>> think it’s stupid that they took some signs away. Braille is a lot
>>>>> of extra pages. Someone told me once that it takes three braille
>>>>> pages to equal the information one printed page and that’s not
>>>>> including spacing such as between paragraphs etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t think you guys realize how different print is from braille.
>>>>> And I wouldn’t expect any person who was born blind and I only read
>>>>> braille to understand. Just be nice to those of us who can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Jesse Johnson via BlindTlk
>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree this new EB makes no sense at all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we can't do anything about it.  I can read it somewhat
>>>>>>> better, depending on how much different stuff there is in it.  If
>>>>>>> it's just regular text, it's okay.  But I don't see any reason to
>>>>>>> ever write it, myself.  I just don't think I will be put in a
>>>>>>> situation where that is necessary.  Pam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, David W. (ESC) via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 11:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>> Cc: Hyde, David W. (ESC)
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, whether we like it or not, the train has left the station. I
>>>>>>> can read UEB better than I can write it. Sixty years of doing it
>>>>>>> one way doesn't change in a moment. I still put words together,
>>>>>>> use signs that have gone away, and when reading, I come to a full
>>>>>>> stop when I see a, followed by tion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jesse
>>>>>>> Johnson via BlindTlk
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 10:11 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Jesse Johnson <jayjohnson66 at me.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think of the old saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it they
>>>>>>> broke it by trying to fix it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are words that you can’t combine together anymore like of
>>>>>>>> the house to have a space between it. The sign for by like “by
>>>>>>>> the seaside or byline Hass to be spelled out now.
>>>>>>>> Trust me, I’ve tried to read the stuff and I can’t. It’s too
>>>>>>>> confusing. Punctuation changed a lot by the way. The simple.?, Etc.
>>>>>>>> didn’t but have you looked at those parenthesis? Yeah they look a
>>>>>>>> lot more like print so it’s easy for me to remember how to read.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:13 AM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In US Braille:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dropped d at the beginning of a word is letters dis.
>>>>>>>>> In the middle is a double-d as in "daddy."
>>>>>>>>> At the end is a period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dropped h at beginning is a open-quote In middle, not used in
>>>>>>>>> literary braille.
>>>>>>>>> At the end, a question-mark.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dropped F:
>>>>>>>>> At beginning is the word "to."
>>>>>>>>> In the middle is a double-f.
>>>>>>>>> At the end is an exclamation point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These things aren't that much different in UEB, although some of
>>>>>>>>> the rules did change for UEB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judy, and I learn braille as a child or had no residual vision I
>>>>>>>>> probably could. However I find the US braille difficult. Dropped
>>>>>>>>> F, drop D and dropped H. is in weird places main something
>>>>>>>>> depending on where they are. That is confusing! I read faster in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new braille.
>>>>>>>>> I have children’s books and some religious things for the taking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Erika,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you can do UEB braille, you can also read US.
>>>>>>>>>> There are differences in the punctuation and numbers
>>>>>>>>>> formatting, but the numbers and letters themselves are all the
>>>>>>>>>> same.  Most of the contractions are the same, they have done
>>>>>>>>>> away with some of them, but you will never find a strange
>>>>>>>>>> formation of dots you can't recognize.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I took the UEB course, just to know what it is like, and
>>>>>>>>>> although I prefer US braille, I can read the UEB.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>>>>> “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Ericka via BlindTlk
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Braille books in old old
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m wondering what people are doing with braille books that are
>>>>>>>>>> in that were produced before the 2015 change over to UEB. I
>>>>>>>>>> have braille books that I really don’t want to toss, but I
>>>>>>>>>> can’t read them well enough in the pre-2015 braille to justify
>>>>>>>>>> keeping. I’m willing to send them overseas or free matter them
>>>>>>>>>> to someone who can’t send them overseas. Let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
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>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Kelby Carlson
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>
>
> --
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>

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