[BlindTlk] Home Owner's Association complaining about video doorbell

Thu Dec 24 00:40:42 UTC 2020

Sherri,

While I certainly am one who is for advocating for oneself when necessary, I am glad to hear you are working with the home-owner's association.  For one thing, as some have noted, understanding the specific part of the home-owner's agreement is necessary to figure out your best approach.  Also, and I didn't see this mentioned, there is often some sort of process to follow to get a variation on a policy and possibly to ask for a reversal.  This is probably no longer an issue if you are talking to the home-owner's association, but it is something for the rest of us to keep in mind if we live in a condo or townhouse where there are regulations.  I hope that you can resolve things quickly if you find the video doorbell to be helpful.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sherri Brun via BlindTlk
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Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Home Owner's Association complaining about video doorbell

I know about hacking believe me.  My daughter won't own any Alexa devices,
though they did own a baby monitor.  I don't think it did video but I have
heard of people hacking into those and actually speaking to the baby.

I am working with the Home Owner's Association to hopefully solve this
problem.  Thank you.

Sherri

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Home Owner's Association complaining about video
doorbell

> Those ring devices have their own security problems having already been
hacked.

The same can be said about the Windows operating system, Siri, Android and
probably just about every other device. I do see your point, though, but the
issue is that the condo owner may not have known this and a case should be
made that this doorbell is a reasonable accommodation for someone who is not
able to see. 

David Goldfield,
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From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:57 PM
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Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Home Owner's Association complaining about video
doorbell

Language in the condo docs stating something like nothing may be attached to
any outside surface of the condo without prior arrangement.  If that's the
case that certainly covers video doorbells.  Those ring devices have their
own security problems having already been hacked.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020, PLipovsky via BlindTlk wrote:

> Sherry, first, I totally agree with you regarding the reasonable 
> accommodation due to an obvious disability.
>
> Second, did you look in  your condo docs to see if anything was stated 
> regarding doorbells etc. Even if here is, I think the reasonable 
> accommodation may take president, although I'm not 100 percent on 
> that, since Condo's are considered private and are sometimes given 
> different considerations.
>
> Third, I would write a letter to the Condo association explaining your 
> situation an why you have the doorbell, which of course is for safety 
> purposes due to your inability to see through the peep hole, therefore 
> not knowing who is at your door..  Plus, it's been there for over a year!!
>
> Other than that, I would stand my ground and not do a thing, putting 
> the ball in the hand of the condo Association.  In the meantime, I 
> would look around for an attorney in case you need to take legal steps.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sherri Brun 
> via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 11:38 PM
> To: BlindTlk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sherri Brun <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BlindTlk] Home Owner's Association complaining about video 
> doorbell
>
> This is take two for this message.  Tried to send earlier and it said 
> it was not deliverable.  Anyway, here's my story.
>
>
>
> I live in a condo.  I own my own condo.  My condo is upstairs with an 
> entrance that goes I into the building and then up the stairs to my 
> door.  I share the hallway with one other condo.
>
>
>
> A year and a half ago for mothers' day, my children gave me a Ring 
> video doorbell.  They were concerned for my safety as I live alone and 
> always had to open the door when someone knocked.  The doorbell was 
> installed.  No one said anything until this week.
>
>
>
> I got a letter from my Home Owner's Association saying that I did not 
> get permission to have the device installed and it is not allowed to be
there.
> Therefore, I must fill out a form and take it down immediately.
>
>
>
> I do not want to remove the doorbell.  I cannot see anything on the 
> camera, as I am totally blind.  The only thing I do with it is 
> communicate with people at my door.  As of now, unless someone tells 
> me something to the contrary, I consider this a reasonable 
> accommodation under the ADA and plan on leaving this installed.  Any
comments would be very much appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Sherri Brun
>
> flmom2006 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> "life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."  
> John Lennon
>
>
>
> "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."  
> John Lennon
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> In tribute
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