[BlindTlk] A question

Ericka dotwriter1 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 16 01:12:02 UTC 2020 

What they did to your sandwich is appalling. Yhey inconveniences you.

Ericka Nelson

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Anitra Webber via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That reminds me of time my friend and I both ordered a prime rib sandwich. When I got mine it was a pile of torn up bread and meat and nothing else. When I asked the waitress what that was, she told me that it was my 
> sandwich cut in bite size pieces. She assumed that because they always did that for my friend I would also want that. I like my sandwich whole with stuff on it so they got to bring another one. I have been told that I was selfish to make them waste a sandwich and to discourage them from helping people with disabilities. But a sighted nondisabled person wouldn't be expected to accept that, and I don't think I should be either.
> 
> Anitra Webber 
> 
>    On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 4:56:36 PM MDT, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> 
> This morning, when I went out to breakfast with a friend, I suddenly decided 
> I wanted to put some ketchup on my scrambled eggs and homefries.  So, I 
> looked along the wall for the bottle of ketchup and opened it and started 
> trying to get it to come out on the food.  A little drop did, then, it 
> stopped.  The waitor asked why I didn't tell him I wanted him to do it.  I 
> looked at him, sort-of.  Then, he said:  "I know, you want to be 
> independent".  I said, "No, I just wanna be me".  Personally, I never would 
> have thought of asking.  But my friend, eating breakfast with me, started 
> feeling like she had to explain to me that a lot of people in my building 
> don't know how to do things for themselves.  I really didn't need to be told 
> that, and I didn't think it mattered for me.  Unfortunately, this diner is 
> down the street from a buildingful of blind people, so the public gets to 
> see some of the worst behavior.  I actually ended up having a tug-of-war 
> with a waitor, a long time ago, to get the milk pitcher and the spoon out of 
> his hand, so I could fix my own coffee before he made a mess of it.  Most of 
> them are getting to know enough to just bring me the coffee and the milk, 
> the way they do everybody else who is not blind.  Pam.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: PLipovsky via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:27 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Cc: PLipovsky
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] A question
> 
> I agree unless it's really something noticeable.  It never ceases to amaze 
> me how some visually impaired folks are not taught the proper manners or 
> etiquette when growing up, such as eating with a knife and fork, not with 
> your hands, chewing your food with your mouth open, etc.  parents that do 
> this don't realize they are doing that child an injustice.
> 
> When I was young, my Mom cut up my food for me until one day I told her I 
> wanted to do it myself, and guess what, it wasn't that hard to do.  I know 
> some that have a restaurant cut up their food for them all the time before 
> it's brought out to the table.  I understand if a person simply prefers not 
> to do that themselves, , but I don't think it present a good image of blind 
> folks to the general public to do that.  Of course, I'm pretty independent 
> and have always been that way, and do realize independence is different for 
> everyone.
> 
> 
> 
> be
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via BlindTlk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:36 PM
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] A question
> 
> It isn't easy.  If you don't know the person I would say it's best not to 
> say anything.
> 
> 
>> On 3/10/2020 3:10 PM, Sherri via BlindTlk wrote:
>> I appreciate this conversation.  For those who have children, you know 
>> they
>> are quick and not always so tactful about pointing out things.  This
>> particular instance refers to the table manners of a friend who was
>> visiting.  It's a very sticky subject!  I would want to be told if my
>> manners offended someone so I could try to change them.  I also appreciate
>> being told if I have a shirt on that is stained, dirty or see-through.  I
>> would much rather know than have people talk about it behind my back.  My
>> mom was a stickler for good manners, good hygiene, etc. and I am glad she
>> was.  My question is how do you tell someone without offending them?  Pat,
>> thanks for bringing this matter to our attention.
>> 
>> Sherri
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of PLipovsky
>> via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 2:06 PM
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>> Cc: PLipovsky <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] A question
>> 
>> What I'm thinking is most people who don't know you probably won't say
>> anything.  If they know you, depending on how well you know each other 
>> would
>> probably determine whether or not they said anything.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via 
>> BlindTlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:36 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] A question
>> 
>> It does depend on the social skills of the person telling you.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/10/2020 12:41 PM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:
>>> It would depend on how they told me.  In most cases, I probably would
>>> thank them, and be glad they told me.  I was wearing a shirt that was
>>> able to be seen through.  A person told me, and I felt embarrassed
>>> because I didn't know, but I was grateful, and thanked her.  Now, if
>>> the person was snarky about it, depending on how, that might make a
>>> difference in how I responded. Pam.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: PLipovsky via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2020 8:49 PM
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>>> Cc: PLipovsky
>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] A question
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> I had a discussion about this with someone the other day, and thought
>>> I would throw it out to you to get your input..
>>> 
>>> If a friend, or someone you know with vision told you there was a
>>> stain on your shirt, or your pants were dirty or wrinkled, would  you
>>> get offended?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since I always try to look my best, especially when out in public, I
>>> personally would welcome that, in fact, I've told people if they see
>>> something not quite right to always let me know, as I would rather
>>> know so I can fix it rather than go around looking sloppy.
>>> 
>>> Any opinions?
>>> 
>>> 
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