[BlindTlk] [BlTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

[Ericka]

Agreed that we aren’t taught true self suffiency. Fepending on staff skills , not even critical thinking isn’t fostered in my experience. My travel tracher was great at that. Others had no teaching plan, no way to test what skills you possessed when you first came and seminars were high on brainwasjing nfb speeches and little in the way of how to handle yourself outside in job setting s . I was sent on my way with unmetskills and only two staff fought for me to stay longer. I didn’t get the chance to comeback after medical issues were resolved.  If you asked too manyquestions you were not wanted.

Ilove the idea of Outward Bound training! Ihave a cousin that leads those kill classes here in WI. The abilityto become homeless is very real. Homeless shelters rarely know what to o with us. A tent camping experienceis notth same. This would really foster self-confidence! Not for all assome have otherdisabilities, whelchair or Dons for example.  Butteue independence is not self suffientcy but rather INTERDEPENDENCE. Ability to accept and ask for help—the social skillsod independence.  All of us disabled ornot need help. Marriages go downwhen two people can’t work together: businesses fail because colleagues/staff can’t work together.

Blessings all

Ericka Nelson

> On Aug 28, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> In that situation pure self-sufficiency will have to be  a prerequisite.
> Real independence isn't taught by any of these blindness organizations.
> Were that the case every graduate would have had to passed survival
> training as in what the Outward Bound program does.  Such an addition were
> it to happen would equip blind people to live as homeless people if such
> an unfortunate circumstance become theirs.
> Now I think of it, given the recent supreme court ruling on evictions and
> the fact that blind community demographics are in the shape they are, it's
> maybe unfortunate these independence programs didn't offer their graduates
> such training.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, Judy Jones via BlindTlk wrote:
>> 
>> Hahaha, that is the pure defintion of independence, as long as total self-sufficiency goes with it.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Judy
>> sent from the Android BS6
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2021 07:43 PM
>> To: Colleen McFadden via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> CC: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
>> 
>> If they ever do get independence fully working, they'll be able to put
>> each independent blind person on their own planet as researchers and
>> they'll get along just fine.
>> 
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, Colleen McFadden via BlindTlk wrote:
>>> I believe that we are all dependent on one another and it doesn't matter if
>>> we have a disability or not;  we all have our weaknesses.
>>> 
>>> Colleen
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cory
>>> McMahon via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2021 5:07 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Cc: Cory McMahon
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
>>> 
>>> Jen,
>>> 
>>> By your definition, disabled people will never be "independent" as some of
>>> us will forever be dependent upon mobility devices, transportation from
>>> others, etc.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Cory McMahon
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jen via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2021 11:39 AM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
>>> 
>>> So I've read "The Nature of Independence," which I think is a great speech.
>>> But what does independence really mean? I think independence means doing
>>> everything for yourself and never asking for or needing help again. Also -
>>> independence is something you work on for a while, and then you have it, and
>>> you're all set.
>>> 
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