[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

Mon Aug 30 20:03:22 UTC 2021

Sure.  That makes perfect sense.  Pam.

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Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

Yes I understand. Accessible is a Word I hate. Not because I don’t think 
that for us things should not be “accessible“ but that we need to come up 
with a better word. Unfortunately I think part of our problem with things 
not being usable for us is that people who are cited don’t understand our 
definition of accessible. To us it’s having a format we can read or hear in 
the case of screen readers or like talking books. For sighted people that’s 
being able to get the item. That’s not quite the same because it may appear 
on your computer screen or you may be able to get it in the mail etc. but 
that doesn’t mean you can read it. To the cited world being able to buy 
things online makes things more “accessible“ to them for example. But for us 
it’s still in accessible if we can’t read and activate the website. Does it 
make any sense to anyone? I guess to summit up for the cited world 
accessible means getting to the information in the usual way. Them it is 
going to the website, filling out a form or being able to actually go into a 
business. It gives them choices of went to do the activity, being able to do 
things in a more timely fashion for the rural areas and so on. For us it’s 
more complex and people don’t understand that. Our accessibility needs to go 
beyond transportation when it comes to purchasing an item for example. If 
the store is not in our community, or work hours do not allow us to get 
transportation assistance, and the website to order the product is not 
screen reader friendly and perhaps it would work better with the braille 
display but you don’t know Braille or cannot afford a Braille display then 
this business is not accessible.

Ericka Nelson

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> I want to thank everyone for contributing to this discussion and look 
> forward to continuing it. I started this thread because I feel like, there 
> are words that get thrown around a lot and sound so good. But what do we 
> really mean by what we mean, you know?
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> On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 10:13:39 PM EDT, Larry Wayland via BlindTlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> There is no such thing as total independence  in this world unless you are 
> living on an island and no one else is there with you.  That, in my 
> opinion would be pretty miserable. How many people build their own cars or 
> houses? How many grow their own food?  I could go on and on.  The idea, I 
> think is do what you can or have time for and develop a skill or get the 
> education so you can earn enough money to pay for goods and services that 
> you want or need and then do without or do the rest yourself.  I think it 
> is fun to be able to do things for yourself, but there is always a lemit 
> to what you can do because of time or skill.
> Larry
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> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka 
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> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 4:26 PM
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> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
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> That’s pretty narrow. I don’t know any sighted person that has that kind 
> of independence.
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> Ericka Nelson
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>> On Aug 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
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>> So I've read "The Nature of Independence," which I think is a great 
>> speech. But what does independence really mean? I think independence 
>> means doing everything for yourself and never asking for or needing help 
>> again. Also - independence is something you work on for a while, and then 
>> you have it, and you're all set.
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