[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

Tue Aug 31 02:36:15 UTC 2021

Good news on this front.  Accessibility standards are being incorporated
into useability standards.  So in future useability will cover
accessibility in addition to all other standards useability acquired
before accessibility standards started getting incorporated.  I think it
was 2013 when this process started.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:

> Sure.  That makes perfect sense.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via BlindTlk
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
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> Yes I understand. Accessible is a Word I hate. Not because I don?t think that
> for us things should not be ?accessible? but that we need to come up with a
> better word. Unfortunately I think part of our problem with things not being
> usable for us is that people who are cited don?t understand our definition of
> accessible. To us it?s having a format we can read or hear in the case of
> screen readers or like talking books. For sighted people that?s being able to
> get the item. That?s not quite the same because it may appear on your computer
> screen or you may be able to get it in the mail etc. but that doesn?t mean you
> can read it. To the cited world being able to buy things online makes things
> more ?accessible? to them for example. But for us it?s still in accessible if
> we can?t read and activate the website. Does it make any sense to anyone? I
> guess to summit up for the cited world accessible means getting to the
> information in the usual way. Them it is going to the website, filling out a
> form or being able to actually go into a business. It gives them choices of
> went to do the activity, being able to do things in a more timely fashion for
> the rural areas and so on. For us it?s more complex and people don?t
> understand that. Our accessibility needs to go beyond transportation when it
> comes to purchasing an item for example. If the store is not in our community,
> or work hours do not allow us to get transportation assistance, and the
> website to order the product is not screen reader friendly and perhaps it
> would work better with the braille display but you don?t know Braille or
> cannot afford a Braille display then this business is not accessible.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
> > On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I want to thank everyone for contributing to this discussion and look
> > forward to continuing it. I started this thread because I feel like, there
> > are words that get thrown around a lot and sound so good. But what do we
> > really mean by what we mean, you know?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 10:13:39 PM EDT, Larry Wayland via BlindTlk
> > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no such thing as total independence  in this world unless you are
> > living on an island and no one else is there with you.  That, in my opinion
> > would be pretty miserable. How many people build their own cars or houses?
> > How many grow their own food?  I could go on and on.  The idea, I think is
> > do what you can or have time for and develop a skill or get the education so
> > you can earn enough money to pay for goods and services that you want or
> > need and then do without or do the rest yourself.  I think it is fun to be
> > able to do things for yourself, but there is always a lemit to what you can
> > do because of time or skill.
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via
> > BlindTlk
> > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 4:26 PM
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> > Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
> >
> > That?s pretty narrow. I don?t know any sighted person that has that kind of
> > independence.
> >
> > Ericka Nelson
> >
> >> On Aug 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> So I've read "The Nature of Independence," which I think is a great speech.
> >> But what does independence really mean? I think independence means doing
> >> everything for yourself and never asking for or needing help again. Also -
> >> independence is something you work on for a while, and then you have it,
> >> and you're all set.
> >>
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