[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

[David Andrews]

What "usability standards?"  There are already 
accessibility standards WCAG 2.X etc.

Dave

At 09:36 PM 8/30/2021, you wrote:
>Good news on this front.  Accessibility 
>standards are being incorporated into useability 
>standards.  So in future useability will cover 
>accessibility in addition to all other standards 
>useability acquired before accessibility 
>standards started getting incorporated.  I think 
>it was 2013 when this process started. On Mon, 
>30 Aug 2021, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk 
>wrote: > Sure.  That makes perfect 
>sense.  Pam. > > -----Original Message----- 
>From: Ericka via BlindTlk > Sent: Monday, August 
>30, 2021 2:55 PM > To: Blind Talk Mailing List > 
>Cc: Ericka > Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The 
>Meaning of Independence? > > Yes I understand. 
>Accessible is a Word I hate. Not because I don?t 
>think that > for us things should not be 
>?accessible? but that we need to come up with 
>a > better word. Unfortunately I think part of 
>our problem with things not being > usable for 
>us is that people who are cited don?t understand 
>our definition of > accessible. To us it?s 
>having a format we can read or hear in the case 
>of > screen readers or like talking books. For 
>sighted people that?s being able to > get the 
>item. That?s not quite the same because it may 
>appear on your computer > screen or you may be 
>able to get it in the mail etc. but that doesn?t 
>mean you > can read it. To the cited world being 
>able to buy things online makes things > more 
>?accessible? to them for example. But for us 
>it?s still in accessible if > we can?t read and 
>activate the website. Does it make any sense to 
>anyone? I > guess to summit up for the cited 
>world accessible means getting to the > 
>information in the usual way. Them it is going 
>to the website, filling out a > form or being 
>able to actually go into a business. It gives 
>them choices of > went to do the activity, being 
>able to do things in a more timely fashion for > 
>the rural areas and so on. For us it?s more 
>complex and people don?t > understand that. Our 
>accessibility needs to go beyond transportation 
>when it > comes to purchasing an item for 
>example. If the store is not in our community, > 
>or work hours do not allow us to get 
>transportation assistance, and the > website to 
>order the product is not screen reader friendly 
>and perhaps it > would work better with the 
>braille display but you don?t know Braille or > 
>cannot afford a Braille display then this 
>business is not accessible. > > Ericka 
>Nelson > > > On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Jen 
>via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > > > I want to thank everyone for 
>contributing to this discussion and look > > 
>forward to continuing it. I started this thread 
>because I feel like, there > > are words that 
>get thrown around a lot and sound so good. But 
>what do we > > really mean by what we mean, you 
>know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 
>August 29, 2021, 10:13:39 PM EDT, Larry Wayland 
>via BlindTlk > > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such 
>thing as total independence  in this world 
>unless you are > > living on an island and no 
>one else is there with you.  That, in my 
>opinion > > would be pretty miserable. How many 
>people build their own cars or houses? > > How 
>many grow their own food?  I could go on and 
>on.  The idea, I think is > > do what you can or 
>have time for and develop a skill or get the 
>education so > > you can earn enough money to 
>pay for goods and services that you want or > > 
>need and then do without or do the rest 
>yourself.  I think it is fun to be > > able to 
>do things for yourself, but there is always a 
>lemit to what you can > > do because of time or 
>skill. > > Larry > > > > > > > > -----Original 
>Message----- > > From: BlindTlk 
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>Of Ericka via > > BlindTlk > > Sent: Sunday, 
>August 29, 2021 4:26 PM > > To: Blind Talk 
>Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> > > Cc: 
>Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: 
>[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of 
>Independence? > > > > That?s pretty narrow. I 
>don?t know any sighted person that has that kind 
>of > > independence. > > > > Ericka 
>Nelson > > > >> On Aug 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Jen 
>via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > >> > >> So I've read "The Nature of 
>Independence," which I think is a great 
>speech. > >> But what does independence really 
>mean? I think independence means doing > >> 
>everything for yourself and never asking for or 
>needing help again. Also - > >> independence is 
>something you work on for a while, and then you 
>have it, > >> and you're all set. > >> > >>