[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

Tue Aug 31 04:07:43 UTC 2021

That’s great news!

Ericka Nelson

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good news on this front.  Accessibility standards are being incorporated
> into useability standards.  So in future useability will cover
> accessibility in addition to all other standards useability acquired
> before accessibility standards started getting incorporated.  I think it
> was 2013 when this process started.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:
>> 
>> Sure.  That makes perfect sense.  Pam.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via BlindTlk
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 2:55 PM
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>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
>> 
>> Yes I understand. Accessible is a Word I hate. Not because I don?t think that
>> for us things should not be ?accessible? but that we need to come up with a
>> better word. Unfortunately I think part of our problem with things not being
>> usable for us is that people who are cited don?t understand our definition of
>> accessible. To us it?s having a format we can read or hear in the case of
>> screen readers or like talking books. For sighted people that?s being able to
>> get the item. That?s not quite the same because it may appear on your computer
>> screen or you may be able to get it in the mail etc. but that doesn?t mean you
>> can read it. To the cited world being able to buy things online makes things
>> more ?accessible? to them for example. But for us it?s still in accessible if
>> we can?t read and activate the website. Does it make any sense to anyone? I
>> guess to summit up for the cited world accessible means getting to the
>> information in the usual way. Them it is going to the website, filling out a
>> form or being able to actually go into a business. It gives them choices of
>> went to do the activity, being able to do things in a more timely fashion for
>> the rural areas and so on. For us it?s more complex and people don?t
>> understand that. Our accessibility needs to go beyond transportation when it
>> comes to purchasing an item for example. If the store is not in our community,
>> or work hours do not allow us to get transportation assistance, and the
>> website to order the product is not screen reader friendly and perhaps it
>> would work better with the braille display but you don?t know Braille or
>> cannot afford a Braille display then this business is not accessible.
>> 
>> Ericka Nelson
>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want to thank everyone for contributing to this discussion and look
>>> forward to continuing it. I started this thread because I feel like, there
>>> are words that get thrown around a lot and sound so good. But what do we
>>> really mean by what we mean, you know?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021, 10:13:39 PM EDT, Larry Wayland via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is no such thing as total independence  in this world unless you are
>>> living on an island and no one else is there with you.  That, in my opinion
>>> would be pretty miserable. How many people build their own cars or houses?
>>> How many grow their own food?  I could go on and on.  The idea, I think is
>>> do what you can or have time for and develop a skill or get the education so
>>> you can earn enough money to pay for goods and services that you want or
>>> need and then do without or do the rest yourself.  I think it is fun to be
>>> able to do things for yourself, but there is always a lemit to what you can
>>> do because of time or skill.
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via
>>> BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 4:26 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?
>>> 
>>> That?s pretty narrow. I don?t know any sighted person that has that kind of
>>> independence.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Jen via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So I've read "The Nature of Independence," which I think is a great speech.
>>>> But what does independence really mean? I think independence means doing
>>>> everything for yourself and never asking for or needing help again. Also -
>>>> independence is something you work on for a while, and then you have it,
>>>> and you're all set.
>>>> 
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