[BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence?

Tue Aug 31 06:51:15 UTC 2021

I haven't got the url for that any longer but these were being worked as
far back as 2012.  When I retired I got out of web accessibility work
otherwise I'd be able to provide you a source.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, David Andrews via BlindTlk wrote:

> What "usability standards?"  There are already accessibility standards WCAG
> 2.X etc.
>
> Dave
>
> At 09:36 PM 8/30/2021, you wrote:
> >Good news on this front.  Accessibility standards are being incorporated into
> >useability standards.  So in future useability will cover accessibility in
> >addition to all other standards useability acquired before accessibility
> >standards started getting incorporated.  I think it was 2013 when this
> >process started. On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote: >
> >Sure.  That makes perfect sense.  Pam. > > -----Original Message----- From:
> >Ericka via BlindTlk > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 2:55 PM > To: Blind Talk
> >Mailing List > Cc: Ericka > Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of
> >Independence? > > Yes I understand. Accessible is a Word I hate. Not because
> >I don?t think that > for us things should not be ?accessible? but that we
> >need to come up with a > better word. Unfortunately I think part of our
> >problem with things not being > usable for us is that people who are cited
> >don?t understand our definition of > accessible. To us it?s having a format
> >we can read or hear in the case of > screen readers or like talking books.
> >For sighted people that?s being able to > get the item. That?s not quite the
> >same because it may appear on your computer > screen or you may be able to
> >get it in the mail etc. but that doesn?t mean you > can read it. To the cited
> >world being able to buy things online makes things > more ?accessible? to
> >them for example. But for us it?s still in accessible if > we can?t read and
> >activate the website. Does it make any sense to anyone? I > guess to summit
> >up for the cited world accessible means getting to the > information in the
> >usual way. Them it is going to the website, filling out a > form or being
> >able to actually go into a business. It gives them choices of > went to do
> >the activity, being able to do things in a more timely fashion for > the
> >rural areas and so on. For us it?s more complex and people don?t > understand
> >that. Our accessibility needs to go beyond transportation when it > comes to
> >purchasing an item for example. If the store is not in our community, > or
> >work hours do not allow us to get transportation assistance, and the >
> >website to order the product is not screen reader friendly and perhaps it >
> >would work better with the braille display but you don?t know Braille or >
> >cannot afford a Braille display then this business is not accessible. > >
> >Ericka Nelson > > > On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Jen via BlindTlk
> ><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > ???I want to thank everyone for
> >contributing to this discussion and look > > forward to continuing it. I
> >started this thread because I feel like, there > > are words that get thrown
> >around a lot and sound so good. But what do we > > really mean by what we
> >mean, you know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 29, 2021,
> >10:13:39 PM EDT, Larry Wayland via BlindTlk > > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as total independence  in this
> >world unless you are > > living on an island and no one else is there with
> >you.  That, in my opinion > > would be pretty miserable. How many people
> >build their own cars or houses? > > How many grow their own food?  I could go
> >on and on.  The idea, I think is > > do what you can or have time for and
> >develop a skill or get the education so > > you can earn enough money to pay
> >for goods and services that you want or > > need and then do without or do
> >the rest yourself.  I think it is fun to be > > able to do things for
> >yourself, but there is always a lemit to what you can > > do because of time
> >or skill. > > Larry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:
> >BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka via > >
> >BlindTlk > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 4:26 PM > > To: Blind Talk Mailing
> >List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> > > Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com> > > Subject:
> >Re: [BlindTlk] Fw: The Meaning of Independence? > > > > That?s pretty narrow.
> >I don?t know any sighted person that has that kind of > > independence. > > >
> >> Ericka Nelson > > > >> On Aug 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Jen via BlindTlk
> ><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> ???So I've read "The Nature of
> >Independence," which I think is a great speech. > >> But what does
> >independence really mean? I think independence means doing > >> everything
> >for yourself and never asking for or needing help again. Also - > >>
> >independence is something you work on for a while, and then you have it, > >>
> >and you're all set. > >> > >>
>
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