[BlindTlk] amazon.com

Mon Feb 22 18:14:49 UTC 2021

Windows training for sighted people?  Most of the ones I know just buy the 
computer, turn it on, and go for it, and they think they know what they are 
doing because they can point and click.  You ask them a question, and they 
say  "What?  Huh?"  Pam.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:38 PM
To: Ericka via BlindTlk
Cc: Jude DaShiell
Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] amazon.com

I don't do windows any longer, 18 years with it was 18 years too many.
I'm using Linux and have been since 2013 and loving it!  You know how bad
windows training is for sighted people?  It's so bad people don't learn
how to handle a missing or dead battery on the motherboard of a computer
and aren't familiar with the cmos interface once that comes up.
Admittedly it's an infrequent event about every five years or so but can
be pretty basic to handle when it happens.  Another deficiency is service
pack conflicts that happen during windows updates.  Where I'm at since we
had noone on the staff who knew how to clear the error, a laptop got
thrown out.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Ericka via BlindTlk wrote:

> I live on my iPhone because it is intuitive. I?m going to defend the 
> person who says they?ve tried jaws and don?t like it. I?ve had the same 
> rotten training as you did though. I cannot afford anything because I?m 
> not working and all the money my husband does make plus what little I get 
> for SSDI goes towards life expenses. Unfortunately this curriculums 
> doesn?t even happen in NFB training centers. I certainly do agree with how 
> you?ve got it all laid out. So when are you writing this ?small chunks of 
> success? curriculum? I?ll be the big guinea pig! I?ve never seen anything 
> like this. I learned Braille quite well, but never really got comfortable 
> on a computer.. many teachers assume that if you can send email via your 
> phone this can go as a transferable skill and you know more than you 
> really do when it comes to actual computers. How are you operate an iPhone 
> email and how you operate an HP laptop for example is very, very different 
> when you?re blind or have a little bit of vision. At
  the center as you?ve got a time crunch because you can only be there for 
nine months usually if a state pays for you to go.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk 
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think a large part of the problem with jaws is way too many people get 
>> introduced to that screen reader and Windows without adequate and proper 
>> training for the use of either the operating system or the screen reader. 
>> That in and of itself necessarily leads to several early failures in the 
>> exposure process and when starting with training processes early 
>> successes are necessary as building blocks for the failures which will 
>> arrive shortly.  The fact that most people getting initial jaws exposure 
>> do it as a result of Federal State County or municipal employment where 
>> no accessible training plans or budgets exist and no effective challenge 
>> tests exist to prove the employee already has the capability and 
>> knowledge and doesn't need the training do not exist doesn't help matters 
>> either.  I know, I've been there done that and got the T-Shirt to prove 
>> it.  Now, from me having gone through that meat grinder, what could be 
>> done better?
>> First, audio tutorials on the use of windows and jaws not on anyone's 
>> hard drive.  Listen to those on a separate dvd player and those need to 
>> be small chunks of material followed by specific tasks to try and maybe 
>> have someone knowledgeable about the training see what happens on the 
>> computer and tell the trainee how to back out of the mistake they just 
>> made and how to do that part of the exercise correctly.
>> Yes, I know it will cost more but quality results cost and why have the 
>> employee on the payroll with minimal training investment and then get 
>> disappointed with the results?
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk wrote:
>>>
>>> I have used jaws.  I have tried jaws.  It and I don't get along.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:56 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Cc: pmdonahue2 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] amazon.com
>>>
>>> Hello Pam and everyone,
>>>
>>> By refusing to use Jaws you're putting limits on yourself as to what 
>>> Websites and applications you can access with a screen reader. If you 
>>> want to shop at Wallmart learn to like Jaws so you can do so and use 
>>> other screen readers for other applications and Internet resources you 
>>> can access with them. Take off the limits and shop until you drop on 
>>> www.wallmart.com. All the best.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Pamela 
>>> Dominguez via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:19 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] amazon.com
>>>
>>> I am using a computer and I can't use Wal-mart anymore.  Everybody says 
>>> it works with jaws, but I hate jaws.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ericka via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:13 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] amazon.com
>>>
>>> Walmart.com sucks for iPhon users.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Feb 19, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had set up an account and there is an item I'd like to buy today.
>>>> Unfortunately firefox amazon interface is to put it nicely odd.
>>>> There's a link for me to choose my address and when I click on that it
>>>> gives me a choice of android devices.
>>>> The problem with that is I don't want anything delivered to my
>>>> physical address and had entered the location earlier.
>>>> I think I'm going to delete the account.  At least the WalMart app
>>>> works and I've bought stuff with that app before.
>>>> The android app is no better for amazon.com.
>>>>
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